Kitten Brigade - Ulduar
Raid Zone:
Ulduar (and maybe Wintergrasp Raid)
Continuation of Kitten Brigade Ulduar raid. Hard modes include:
1) XT002 Deconstructor hard mode.
2) Iron Council hard (or "medium hard") mode.
3) Possibly Hodir hard mode.
4) Possible Thorim hard mode (big IF).
None of these have been verified by Garreth, but we'll be looking at them sooner than later.
Be ready!
Wed, 06/03/2009 - 11:30
Wed, 06/03/2009 - 15:00
| 9 individuals signed up |
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| Shihli |
| saedo |
| Katibug |
| primistic |
| moriella |
| Keisjaa |
| h4mm32 |
| garreth |
| Enixa |
You asked for it
moriella — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 10:12Yes, we had to tell you to 'copy a spec' because you have proven you dont have the class knowledge to do anything else.
you also said 'but you knew I had not raided as destro' - I call your attention to may 27 when you raided hybrid demo/destro and then the next night of May 28th you went deep destro after another forum chat much like this. Then on the 30th you went affliction. On June 1 or 2, my alt saw you afk at the class trainer again in SW and upon checking, I saw that yet again you had changed specs.
Bottom line. We went thru this very same discussion about hit cap last week. Several of us took time to fix it and you seem to have learned nothing from the experience.
You have seemingly either a. little knowledge about your class or b. inability to play your spec with regard to maximizing your effectivness.
I am baffeled that you can get this far in this game, yet still have no more grasp of your class than you do. I'm not even sure how it is possible.
I've heard every single excuse from you on the day after each raid. The excuses are getting circular now that we are back to the +hit again (we've fixed that once) - and please oh please..... dont blame your poor performance on switching from vista 32 to vista 64 again.
You play a pure dps class. Continual appearances at the bottom of the meters is unexcusable.
As I said one week ago. There are TOO MANY problems here. We cant fix knowing how to play in a day or two. Again, last week I suggested you get back in running heroic 5 mans and naxx until you are blue in the face. The acheivements that you have for badges of heroism do not indicate that you spent tons of time doing this. You need to learn how to play A SINGLE SPEC until you can perform at it. You need to know that spec inside and out. You need to execute that spec with a minimum of lost gcd's and maximum uptime. Ulduar, much less hard modes - is not the place to be learning this.
unexcusable?
Vitriola — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 11:22<LOTS of stuff deleted because I wrote it when I was emotional>
My actual REAL mistake was that the spec I used last night was deep destro and I just forgot that I needed the suppression. oops. My bad. All better now.
<LOTS MORE stuff deleted because I wrote it when I was emotional>
fixing hit cap
moriella — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 11:37still wont fix the underlying problems.
And neither will tearing him
Shihli — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 11:45And neither will tearing him down. Can we try to be more constructive?
I have a strong aggreance
Grasen — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 13:23I have a strong aggreance with shihli here,
He may not be living up to
Shihli — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 11:04He may not be living up to our dps expectations, but as of right now we don't have a ton of options. No need to publically castrate him on the forums, rather we can try to be more constructive and actually make a good dps'er out of him.
Lifetapping etc...
Scaron — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 08:43Fair enough re: LifeTapping. I'm not as farmiliar w/ destro as affliction.
But given this, I am wondering if the T7 4pc is then better than the 2pc T8 if lots of dmg is coming from Immolate wouldn't one rather have 10% added immolate damage than a +90 sp that's only up very (or at least relatively) rarely?
Also then, I'm really agreeing with you strongly that glyph of LT is a bad choice and one should switch to GoImmo fast.
Re: spec copying: I agree. However, the social scientist in me is also sympathetic to spec copying insomuch as (a) that's exactly what some folks (in guild) advocate doing--with good reason because (b) it's easiest to diagnose play / gear problems when you've got an equivalent comparison point (i.e., once you've ruled out any spec problems, low dps diagnoses can focus exclusively on play / gear problems.) Again, I'm not disagreeing with your point, I'm just saying (as someone who was told to switch specs and copy someone else's) that there are reasons other than not knowing your class to spec-copy.
And finally, anyone who's spec-copying to diagnose play/game performance/gear issues would do well to take Mori's point well...pay attention to class basics w/o doing such switches completely mindlessly. If everything you read on, say, warlockery says "be hitcapped" and you're switching to a spec that changes your functional hitcap...adjust.
too many cooks
Vitriola — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 08:56"Also then, I'm really agreeing with you strongly that glyph of LT is a bad choice and one should switch to GoImmo fast."
I was specifically told to get glyph of LT. It is a good one and has much to recommend it. As you and Mori are wondering about my ability to think for myself I will say that I did consider a glyph of immolate. Immolate is not going to be a top damage dealer for me. Incinerate, conflag, and CB are my heavy hitters. Incinerate is clearly top and I took that glyph. conflag glyph I also got. That leaves LT or CB glyphs. CB is just 2 seconds less cooldown. With a base of 12 seconds cd, that is an improvement of almost 17% As the lt glyph gives 20% more and to everything, not just cb, I went that way. That is my 3.
As to thinking about the spec, I refer you to the discussion after the raid last night. When you said that I should go with Watchesup rather than Rahn, I described the differences in enough detail to indicate that I did not copy blindly but understood what I was doing and openly said my ideas on the differences between their builds. I mention this to show that I am not making this up now but was able to say it at the time. I looked before I leaped on the spec. I did figure out that it was a good one, as we all knew it would be, and went that way. Why this is seen as me saying that I do not know a chaos bolt from a hole in the ground is a bit mystifying.
or am I reading this wrongly?
I'm sorry you perceived my
Scaron — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 09:13I'm sorry you perceived my comments as a threat to you being able to think for yourself. That was not my intent at all. In fact, I was trying to say that your respec is not attributable to your lack of understanding of class mechanics, but occurred because folks requested a respec...and, it did, after all lead to the diagnosis of a hit problem.
The comment you cite above was (albeit unclearly) not particularly levelled at you, but more generally toward a general choice for T8 2pc and Glyph of Immolate.
I'm really only trying to be helpful and constructive in my comments, so I apologize if you're finding them mystifying. I'll bow out and let others weigh in, and I'll let you be in charge of when you'd like to hear my thoughts. I'm always willing to contribute, but too many cooks is frustrating--I know. If you'd like my input, though, feel free to ask anytime.
Kologarn
Enixa — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 07:49http://www.wegame.com/watch/Disarmed_Kologarn/
Disarmed Kologarn kill. BORING
Well, I'll be damned. That's
Scaron — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 09:16Well, I'll be damned. That's what WoW looks like @ high graphic settings and not at 4fps. Who knew?
Give a guy 70fps in raid, he
garreth — Thu, 06/04/2009 - 08:59Give a guy 70fps in raid, he goes and installs wegame and knocks it back down to 15....
I might make this, but so far
Adoron (not verified) — Wed, 06/03/2009 - 13:25I might make this, but so far it looks like I'll be busy. Fill up the spot (if there is an extra slot, that is) if I'm not there by 6:30.
Let's get to Yogg on
Katibug — Mon, 06/01/2009 - 22:54Let's get to Yogg on Wednesday, cause I'll be at the beach on Friday!!
I vote Monday cause Hard
saedo — Tue, 06/02/2009 - 00:31I vote Monday cause Hard Modes are calling!
Hard Modes all the way...
primistic — Tue, 06/02/2009 - 02:12I agree.. should start getting hard mode AND achievements early...
Definitely DON'T WANT to rush for achievements IF one day Blizz decided to remove the drakes just like 3.0 to 3.1..
They are removing them.
saedo — Tue, 06/02/2009 - 10:08They are removing them. That's expected and already confirmed for 3.2.
But the good thing is that the drakes only ask for 1 achievement per boss. The bad thing is that it's the hard mode of it if it exists. lol
Damn it.. Did they say when
primistic — Tue, 06/02/2009 - 10:13Damn it.. Did they say when 3.2 is coming out? Any idea?
Not really. Some people are
saedo — Tue, 06/02/2009 - 10:43Not really. Some people are expecting a faster turn around than 3.1 took. Some are expecting less content needing to be tested since it's "just Coliseum". Some are expecting as soon as July.
My personal guess would be end of August atm, early Sept.
CoA
h4mm32 — Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:25i thought they were supposed to add a new drake as well... and also that they'd do something with AN/OK or Gundrak, considering the material that's inside both aforementioned instances, i mean god knows we have had trolls come about during the past two expansions zul'drak is bound to happen with its predecessors of ZA and ZG
They probably will add a new
saedo — Tue, 06/02/2009 - 12:34They probably will add a new drake, but that means a whole new set of achievements to do.
Just like how they took out the plagued/black and added iron/rusted in.
So far there is no mention of AN/OK or Gundrak. They have confirmed the Coliseum as the next instance. It will have 5, 10, and 25 man modes. 5 is probably a seperate wing. It will be the finished Argent Tournament building.
Will it be the only instance? Who knows. This is all they've confirmed so far. Speculation is that since it's one small building, it could be like Violet Hold, shit comes out in waves, we kill em.
There was also early early Ulduar talk about an "Arena" type boss with randomization. Each time you face it, there's a different set of bosses, but you also get to choose a couple of them as part of your set. People suspected Thorim to be it, but that turned out not to be the case. So perhaps this is the thing they want to do that with.
I'm with Saedo. Lets get
Derchlon — Tue, 06/02/2009 - 01:04I'm with Saedo. Lets get these hard modes done, and get our shiny new Iron-bound drakes!