Stop Saving Your Money
Kwondre — Tue, 09/15/2009 - 15:02
If most of your savings are in a high-yield savings account or (even worse) under your mattress...you're not preserving your hard earned cash...you're losing it.
Consider this...
The current yield on an ING Direct savings account is 1.98%. The long-term inflation rate in the United States is just north of 2%. That means, every year (at this rate) you are losing 0.02% of your purchasing power. And that's BEFORE taxes.
Assuming a 35% interest income tax rate, your effective after-tax yield on that ING Direct savings account is 1.29%, which means your losing about $0.71 per year on every $100 you put in that savings account.
There are alternatives, but before I mention them...keep this is mind:
There is no such thing as free money. Any profit requires SOME amount of risk
Now, I work with stocks on a day to day basis, and I'm not advocating it to those that are at all risk averse. No one knows where the hell the market is going these days - even if stocks are generally a good long-term investment.
However, you can effectively save without taking excessive risk.
Municpal Bonds are typically unpopular investment vehicles in normal economic times because
A) people don't understand what they are
B) people don't make money selling them to you
and C) they seem relatively unsexy
Basically, when you buy a "muni" you are assuming the debt obligations of the state or city that is offering that debt. They use your money for public services, utilities, infrastructure building etc etc.
What is the risk? That city or state goes bankrupt and is unable to pay its obligations.
How often has that happened? Wel...besides California, no muni has come close in this current economic crisis (I believe). And even California's IOU's are being backed by private institutions.
So...taking the New York muni for example, NYF is a municipal bond ETF. It is currently yielding 4% or so. But here's the kicker. Muni bonds CAN be triple-tax-advantaged, meaning exempt from taxation at the city-state-federal level.
SOOO, to find a 4% after-tax yield, you would need to find an investment or savings account that yields somewhere around 7%...good luck.
For all you people stuffing your mattresses with cash...I think the statistical probability of your house getting burglarized is greater than the chance of a major municipality going bankrupt.
SOOOOO...if you are relatively risk averse, but are looking to NOT lose money to the gods of inflation and taxation...look into muni bonds....there's my RL tip of the week.

So wait,
Andelan — Tue, 09/15/2009 - 16:08I know what a muni bond is, and that you dont actually even theoretically have that money until it gets paid, but how much would you suggest sinking into one from your disposeable income?
there is a set duration just
Kwondre — Wed, 09/16/2009 - 08:14there is a set duration just like there is with a US Treasury Bill or Note. And you collect dividends or coupons based on the duration.
For an easier way to get access to the benefits, you want to look for municpal bond funds or etfs that apply to your state. That way, you don't necessarily need to wait the duration (some can be 10 years) to receive the yield. Also, bond funds and etfs tend to not have minimum holding periods so if you need the cash you can get it.
I don't think municipal bonds are a replacement for traditional forms of investments - like mutual funds or stocks or corporate bonds, or even 401k's for that matter. All I'm saying is that if you have money just rotting in a "high yield savings" account...you might want to explore some other options for parking your cash - such as a muni.
More kwon-fodder... Columbus,
Scaron — Tue, 09/15/2009 - 15:46More kwon-fodder...
Columbus, OH
muni
Ok go go gaadget kwon
lol...you can find them
Kwondre — Wed, 09/16/2009 - 08:16lol...you can find them yourself! Linking a particular muni could inadvertantly give off the impression that I am recommending it. My expertise is in stocks, not at all in bonds. So, I'm just trying to point you in a general direction - and I recommend not putting any money into something you haven't fully researched yourself and are comfortable with.
The only thing I've fully
Scaron — Wed, 09/16/2009 - 08:31The only thing I've fully researched and am comfortable with is my mattress.
So, if my money is only worth 70% of what I get, how come I'm paying taxes on all 100 percent. ;)
you also run the risk of
Kwondre — Wed, 09/16/2009 - 08:35you also run the risk of eroision with mattresses..you could lose money via too much bumping and grinding!
Nah, I'm married.
Scaron — Wed, 09/16/2009 - 08:37Nah, I'm married.
LMAO
PoTink — Wed, 09/16/2009 - 08:48LMAO
Blerg. I just opened an
garreth — Tue, 09/15/2009 - 15:31Blerg. I just opened an online savings account at ally.com.
Can you link us to some jumping-off points to start with municipal bonds?
http://reports.finance.yahoo.
Kwondre — Tue, 09/15/2009 - 15:35http://reports.finance.yahoo.com/z1?b=1&so=a&sf=m&tm=1&stt=OR&pr=0&cpl=-...
This is a screen of all muni bonds that relate to the state of oregon.
Keep in mind though that if you live in Portland, you need to get a bond from Portland to get 3x tax advantage. If you just buy a Oregon bond, you may not be excluded from local taxation (which would be small, maybe 0.10% but still something) but you would be excluded from state and federal taxes.
a discussion of some of the
Kwondre — Tue, 09/15/2009 - 15:41a discussion of some of the risks associated with muni's...
http://stocks.investopedia.com/stock-analysis/2009/Municipal-Bond-ETF-Co...
also muni bonds have a minimum required investment...in the case that you can't cover it...try to look for an Exchange Traded Fund - which doesn't have a minimum but will still offer you the tax shielding.
I did a very simple google search for "oregon municipal bond fund" and found this...actually has some decent information...but you'd need to do the research on the actual fund...
http://www.aquilafunds.com/taxfreeMain.html
I'm good friends with a guy
carno — Thu, 09/17/2009 - 04:56I'm good friends with a guy at a firm that puts together most of the muni bonds. Send me a message if you want me to inquire.
So much for formulas...
http://www.wired.com/techbiz/it/magazine/17-03/wp_quant?currentPage=all
A lot of folks are saving because they're unemployed and/or have debt. Everyone else I'm sure is wondering "WTF?"
If you have even MORE money, feel free to invest in a startup, like, mine or G's or...