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Deathfromme — Mon, 03/29/2010 - 16:19

Character Info
Name: 
Deathfromme
Server: 
Gorgonnash
Race: 
Night Elf
Class: 
Hunter
Role: 
DPS
General Questions
Which days are you available for organized guild events? (Raids, RBGs, etc): 
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Sunday
UI
Upload UI: 
Which addons do you consider essential and why?: 
I think they're very useful, I personally use them.
PvE
Raid Experience: 
Everything in the latest expansion, i know every boss in icc (Including Lich King) except Queen, and Sindragosa. But i will watch them on your site. Nothing in old, except Black Temple, i did play in BC but like i said i was young and didn't understand the concept of raiding/pvp during that time.
Personal
What timezone are you in?: 
United States, NJ
Tell us a little about yourself.: 
I am in high school, i'm a pretty cool guy, have a beautiful girlfriend, like video games, my major is Computer Networking, i go to Red Bank Regional High School, and i'm very athletic.
Open/Closed: 
Closed
Grasen's picture

looking at your screenshot of

Grasen — Fri, 04/16/2010 - 05:58

looking at your screenshot of your ui leads me to believe silenceing shot is not keybound.   is this the case?   do you have it in a macro somewhere?    explain how you use this shot in combat.

Deathfromme! Great player,

Shikumaru — Thu, 04/15/2010 - 22:15

Deathfromme!

Great player, always fun to have around! Used to raid with him in a previous guild til they broke up. Overall great guy! Good luck Death!

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I know that this is really,

Aeolyn — Mon, 03/29/2010 - 21:20

I know that this is really, really nitpicky; but Aspect of the Pack is -not- +10% runspeed. Its 30%. The other Hunters have given plenty of good advice and I have nothing else to really add.

I hate to pull this card against another applicant but I do worry every time we get an app from a highschool student. Our raids demand a lot of time and attention if you were to become a regular. And as a guild we'd rather not have someone fail school because a player is too busy running ICC and not studying, sleeping, doing homework, ect.

You may be able to balance it all. But I know when I was your age I hindered my own education to play these sort of games and I'd feel guilty dragging someone else down that same road. Just something to keep in mind.

Taking a look at your wolf spec, though, makes me sad. Pet talents are not complex and a quick trip to EJ or even Wowhead would help greatly. Your wolf is missing SIX points worth of DPS talents.

A few things to start out with

Asc2217 — Mon, 03/29/2010 - 16:54

You have 345 hit, which is WAYYY too much.  With that said, you have absolutely no reason to spec into Focused Aim, move that point into efficiency or anything really, cause it's not doing you anything atm.

You seem to like haste alot for some reason, haste is really bad for MM.  In fact, with your gear, 1 point of crit rating is almost twice as good as 1 point of haste.  If it's on your gear, then so be it, but don't glyph/gem for it.  Replace the gem in your helm with Agi/Crit, and replace your glyph of the hawk (replace glyph of steady shot too, really) with glyph of kill shot and glyph of chimera shot.

I'm not sure why you bought the Herkuml War Token, wasn't the best use of frost badges atm, but it's not terrible.  Going for 2 piece would have been a much bigger upgrade.  Your next purchase should be your tier chest or helm, because the ones you are using right now are horrible for you, since they have hit.  I know it's a lower item level, but your 2 piece is really something you should be gunning for.  It is goddamn awesome.

I see you are gemming ArP, it's probably way too early to do so.  Generally you don't even want to start thinking about gemming for it until you have 700-800 passive.  Gemming Agi would have been alot better for you in terms of dps.  Until you are gemming for ArP, for MM, the general rule is to go straight Agi, Agi/Crit for yellow sockets with 4agi or better bonuses, and a Nightmare Tear in your best blue socket.

Will take a closer look later :)

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@ASC2217, who are you, and

Derchlon — Tue, 03/30/2010 - 12:28

@ASC2217, who are you, and why are you giving such bad advice?

Yes he is over the hit cap.  Good on you there.  Good of you also to point out how tragic it is that he is trying ArP gemming too early, and his troubles with the Herkuml trinket(I pray you are only renting that, Deathfromme.  It's a decent trinket, but not worth the emblems if you haven't upgraded to T10).

but seriously?  Glyph of Chimera shot?  for it to be worthwhile, he would need < 90 effective ms for you to even notice a difference on a fight.  Plus, it can unnecessarily complicate your rotation since you would have to wait the 10 seconds for Aimed Shot anyway, or go right on to steady shot both of which are stupid mistakes.  Steady Shot glyph is still very valuable, considering how much of your MM damage comes from it.  Steady Shot glyph will become much more valuable once your static (NON-gem) Arp is around 700-800.

Also, you're telling him to grab efficiency?  You had better be sure to tell him that putting a point in efficiency is a complete waste, if Rapid Recuperation isn't already filled.  By now, he should have no Arcane shots, so moving that point is acceptable, but be CLEAR.  You're just going to confuse him, as evident by his new spec.

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@Deathfromme, if you really want to get the most dps out of the gear you have, lets hook up in vent.  I'll fix you up, and reteach you how to hunter properly, if necessary.  Sort of a one-time only Hunter tutoring session.  I don't normally offer this, but the bad advice in this thread will confuse you.  My toon is Derchlon, and I'll be online around 5:00 Server time, at the Iron Forge target dummies.

My advice is fine.  I know

Asc2217 — Tue, 03/30/2010 - 17:30

My advice is fine.  I know how to play a hunter.  I don't appreciate being attacked, especially by a fellow downfall guildie.  If you don't agree with my advice, that's fine, don't say it's "bad", because it's not.

For the way he should be gemming, glyph of chimera shot would benefit him alot more than glyph of steady shot, because he does not have the arp to utilize glyph of ss yet.

Yes, I'm telling him to grab a point of efficiency because he has a point in focused aim which is being wasted.  He has 2/2 rapid recup, so theres no other real place to put the point in the mm tree.  There is no real point in using arcane shot since using the gcd for a steady shot is much more worth it with t10.

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"Knowing how to play a

Shihli — Tue, 03/30/2010 - 21:58

"Knowing how to play a hunter" is different than "knowing how to get the most out of a hunter's gear for optimal raid dps".

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First of all, you're not

Derchlon — Tue, 03/30/2010 - 20:33

First of all, you're not paying attention because he only has 1 point in rapid recuperation.  You must not have read my post because I said "...efficiency is a
complete waste, if Rapid Recuperation isn't already
filled."  Not to mention, the value of 1 point in efficiency is next to nothing in a 25 man setting where you never run out of mana.  For his gear level, 1 point in Imp Arcane Shot, at least has 128 damage per shot extra everytime he is forced to use it while on the move.  The best use, would be to put 1 point into Improved Hunter's Mark if no other hunter has it.  That would be worth a 31.81 dps personal gain, not to mention the similar gains the other hunters would benefit directly from this.

Second, Chimera Shot glyph is horrid UNLESS you use it in conjunction with Aimed Shot glyph, and you have the ms necessary to get value from it.  If he were to use Chimera Shot glyph instead of Steady Shot glyph, he would LOSE 234.80 dps.  I regemmed him for the most out of his sockets with Delicates, Deadlies, and a Nightmare tear, and with Chimera shot he is STILL LOSING 207.24 dps.  Steady Shot is a scaling glyph, so yes, it does get better with ArP, but it is a VERY good glyph and you would be hard pressed to find one better besides Serpent Sting glyph.

I tried all sorts of combinations of Chimera Shot glyph with his gear, and I couldn't find ONE that did better than his Steady Shot, Kill Shot, and Serpent Sting combinations.  The only one that came close, was Glyph of the Hawk swapped in for Glyph of Kill Shot, and that was still a 35.11 dps loss.  I even tried dropping his ms gradually, trying to see if I could somehow find a perfect storm that would make it BiS for him.  I failed to find one.

When I say you are giving bad advice, it's only because you are.  You may think it is, but your advice isn't fine.  You may have a hunter, but you do not know how to get the most out of yours.  When I say such things, it isn't because I don't like you.  I say them, because when I see sub-optimal information being given to a guild app who doesn't know the difference yet, it makes me furious that he may come to rely on that information as fact without learning how to check for himself.

All of my numbers are generated through femaledwarf.com, and can be double checked by anyone who wants to take the time to make the changes to his profile.  If you can find a combination where Chimera Shot becomes a BiS glyph in his current gear, I will give you 1000g upon verification.  If you can use this tool, or any other tool vetted by the hunter community, to prove me wrong (including dummy tests with screen shots if you really want to subject yourself to the hours necessary for accurate averages), I welcome it and can't wait to see your findings.

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asc is kenitics

Grasen — Tue, 03/30/2010 - 15:22

asc is kenitics

Oh also, changing your pet

Asc2217 — Mon, 03/29/2010 - 17:36

Oh also, changing your pet spec a little bit will yield you a few hundred dps :)

Doing so now.

Deathfromme — Mon, 03/29/2010 - 18:14

Alright, i'mdoing that right now, but please tell me what i should move my pet's spec into, what should be changed? And thank you for advice, i'm fixing my guy now.


 


I took a peek at one of your best hunters, and changed my pet, but focused aim really is fine since he has 2/3 for it anyway. Please go in more detail about gem. The thing is i can't really get the gear i need unless i'm in a non fail group, pugging usually fails, and i doubt you guys will accept me with my condition of my guy. One thing i do pull pretty good dps, so if you could bring me in a non fail 10m group i could get better gear to fit your standards. So please understand and accept my app, i'm working as hard as i can to fix it but there isn't much more i can do unless i get into a group. Thanks for the other advice though!

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i'm assumeing you looked at

Grasen — Mon, 03/29/2010 - 20:48

i'm assumeing you looked at luminaire,     he has 2/3 focused aim cause his hit rateing is 142 and he needs it to make hit cap,    yours however is over 300 which is well over cap.   so focused aim for you does nothing.   His gear dictates than he needs the focused aim while yours dictates that you dont,     I find it hard to believe you are experianced without haveing this knowledge.

 

Also as a hunter you stand a long hard road to git into downfall.    our hunter crew is very solid and there really just isn't any raid spots for hunters,     that 3 mo wait is a likely estimate,   or longer.

Do you even know what is

Ghli — Mon, 03/29/2010 - 18:54

Do you even know what is hit rating, and what exactly what it does? 

If you don't, go read http://elitistjerks.com/f74/t89218-hunter_faq_read_before_asking_questions/ Giving you more gear doesn't fix your basic problems. Thats like saying I need to get a stronger battery to fix this broken flashlight, when all you really needed to do was replace the bulb.

Yes i do

Deathfromme — Mon, 03/29/2010 - 20:23

Yes i understand what hit rating is, i guess i don't know as much as i thought i did about hunters, well i'm currently working on fixing that, and about the gear. Yes i do need different gear because most of my gear has hit rating/haste etc, basically things i don't need, i still do pull quite a bit of dps, but i am slowly fixing it. I have already made serveral improvements and all i need is the better gear.

Thanks.

Deathfromme — Tue, 03/30/2010 - 13:04

Well thanks for the advice guys and i will work on improving myself but as he said you have serveral good hunters, so i'll work on getting better but please discard my app, but please don't stop giving me advice!

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