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What do you think about no flying for an entire expansion?
YES) It makes me feel more immersed in the game lore.
15%
YES) It encourages more PvP! (Please explain how in comments)
5%
YES) I miss riding my ground mounts.
9%
MAYBE) If you make all of my flying mounts able to be ground too.
8%
MAYBE) if ground mounts are sped up to 200% speed (or higher)
26%
NO) I don't have enough time when I'm on to be riding everywhere
7%
NO) I have spent too much time getting various levels of flying to be wasting it.
11%
NO) It encourages more PVP! (please explain in the comments)
0%
NO) I love flying.
19%
Total votes: 74
now lets talk about the
Ardea — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 15:15now lets talk about the healers =)
If there's anything I can
garreth — Sat, 03/29/2008 - 14:15If there's anything I can pick up from the parses when it comes to healers it's this:
You all need to be FASTER. There needs to be a lot more PREMPTIVE heals compared to strictly reactive. In other words, the healers need to really understand the fights so that they can be casting BEFORE damage actually lands on most of the targets.
Yeah, I've always hated that
Dufe — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 13:41Yeah, I've always hated that issue with presence/battle rezzes. Showing up as 100% present while only having like 20% dps time cause you were actually dead most of the time is. . . . annoying.
Good find Saedo. Keep in
Dufe — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 13:21Good find Saedo. Keep in mind that this doesn't mean that the presence column is going to be wrong, it should still be working like it did before by simply looking at a player's last action in the fight.
The only thing where
saedo — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 13:23The only thing where presence would mess it up would be battle rezes. If you died in the beginning and got rezzed at the end, it would show you to be 100% presence. In which case I guess look at DPS time. It is how much time you got in while you were assumed to be present.
It's the new combat log
saedo — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:51It's the new combat log system. It's currrently bugged to not show your own death. So, WWS has no way to pick it up for you.
Blue post: UI issue: Players
saedo — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:53Blue post:
UI issue: Players death not showing in combat log (src)
This is fixed for 2.4.2. Thanks!
I have absolutely everything
Dufe — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:46I have absolutely everything turned on in my filter, not sure what's wrong. I'll check my settings again, but maybe WWS just hasn't been configured to read it straight from the logs like that yet? May show up in the next couple of days as they refine/complete their new system?
Saedo and Dufe, we need to
garreth — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:34Saedo and Dufe, we need to make sure our logs are set to pick up things like "party deaths", because currently it's not being reported in the logs and WWS has to interpolate it.
I wasn't attempting to be a
Barqz — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:18I wasn't attempting to be a dick. Garreth wanted to know why i was low and i am saying its cause I got an arcane wedgy that left me rolling on the floor crying and dying. And by the parses not giving the whole picture shihli i meant if it gave the whole picture it would be able to read if the player was dead during the encounter. That is something i strongly hope to see added to parses. I was not insulted by garreth asking me why i was low. Shit when i looked at the parses i was asking myself the same thing, then i remembered "Oh yeah, I got blowed up like fireworks". i am sorry if i came out insulting, i did not mean to. Once again wish the parses would be able to pick up and tell if a player was dead and what time they died and all that other jazz. I do feel that my dps went significantly since I , as saedo said, "ungimped" myself. I think the VR parses (if up and running) might show this. Also gares gave me the Gares bump of intelligent raiding, for running out of the VR pounding (because the healers were having trouble with the mod not working). So yeah sorry if i came off assish G, But i hope my being corpsish explains that situation.
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"And by the parses not
garreth — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:29"And by the parses not giving the whole picture shihli i meant if it
gave the whole picture it would be able to read if the player was dead
during the encounter."
Here is how to find out how and when people die:
1) Solarian dps "Pres." (presence) column: http://wowwebstats.com/ia26kma4g2lwq?s=3992-4330
82%, indicating you died right about 82% into the fight.
2) Filter the log by target: http://wowwebstats.com/ia26kma4g2lwq?s=3992-4330&bl=4215&fia=13&fiaa=t
Shows you eating a lot of damage without enough incoming heals.
Here is how to find out how
Barqz — Sat, 03/29/2008 - 07:44Here is how to find out how and when people die:
1) Solarian dps "Pres." (presence) column: http://wowwebstats.com/ia26kma4g2lwq?s=3992-4330
82%, indicating you died right about 82% into the fight.
2) Filter the log by target: http://wowwebstats.com/ia26kma4g2lwq?s=3992-4330&bl=4215&fia=13&fiaa=t
Shows you eating a lot of damage without enough incoming heals.
Ahhhh
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I guess the question is,
Dufe — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:09I guess the question is, could Coryni hypothetically make a spec change, spam shadowbolts, and end up with higher dps than she has now? Or is there something in the picture that I'm missing? Is there a raid buff or important boss debuff that increases raid damage in her current spec? Do we NEED an afflic lock? (If I knew more about warlocks, I wouldn't have to ask these questions, I know, but . . . seems like a good way to learn more.)
They do make their Curse of
saedo — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:23They do make their Curse of Shadows/Elements 3% better.
So 3% from each Lock, Mage, and Shadow Priest, which looks to be only 4 others from that night. But then only one curse from her so which was she doing? Elements or Shadow? I'll assume shadows to give only 3 of you benefit. So napkin math giving maybe Dufe about 53.52 DPS, Watches 47.52 DPS, Morcia 27.42 DPS, for a total of 128.46 additional raid dps for last night's group composition.
That's about the limit I can think of. lol Need a lock to talk about how spec would increase personal dps. Would it increase it more than what afflic adds to raid dps...
http://wowwebstats.com/ia26km
Dufe — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:58http://wowwebstats.com/ia26kma4g2lwq?c=wrl&s=3992-4330
I refuse to believe that a 600dps difference is all from gear. Both have reasonably high/similar dps times. Is this a spec thing? Can a warlock look at this + armories and tell us what's going on?
Prob gear spec and style.
saedo — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 12:03Prob gear spec and style. Watches mostly spams shadowbolts. Which seems to beat out putting corruption, and immolate up.
Al'ar is really better with
Dufe — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:41Al'ar is really better with 4 tanks. Doing it with only a prot and 2 ferals would have been difficult at best.
Two prot anything is bad,
TK28 — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:26Two prot anything is bad, unless it's in MH for first four bosses then for Arch you need one prot unless the other prot has amazing Dps gear, also Garreth unless Grov is packing over 2100 plus healing the doomfires will tick ofr over 2k and his flashes are less then 2k.
Grov in head-to-toe healing
garreth — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:33Grov in head-to-toe healing gear adds a TON to overall raid healing. When Ag just stays out of shadow and heals on Arch it makes a big big difference. Plus, Grov is a dedicated wisdom judger if it falls off (so a holy pally doesn't have to stop healing to do it).
Essentially, on tank and spank fight, Grov becomes a raid amplifier. His dps will suck, so there's no point in having him dps. A prot pally in healing gear can make a huge difference if he's just flashing to top off the raid, cleanse, bop, bubble, lay on hands, judge, extra buff, extra aura. It makes sense to keep him in on tank and spank fights IF THE OTHER DPS CAN REALLY MAXIMIZE. Also, Grov should be desperately working on his healing gear if he doesn't want to end up as the "switch-out" for fights in BT where dps is a must (Teron, Akama, Bloodboil, Naj'entus, etc).
So, to clarify: I am arguing for the following, if people are dependable:
I will admit, what worries
Dragon — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:21I will admit, what worries me is Dredd's dps. A DW fury warrior should be having more dps than that given the gear.
~Legendary Nobody
Why is gares prot? You
garreth — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:06Why is gares prot? You guys have two ferals. An extra tank just brings down overall dps.
A group makeup like:
Judge (fury)
Gares (2h)
Hbk
Sword Rogue
WF totem
Would be optimal. If you can get a second shammy in (Pux, finally?) you could make TWO amazing melee dps groups:
Atar
Judge
Sword Rogue
Sword Rogue
WF totem (prolly bears)
Pettingzoo
Gares (2h)
Hbk
Sword Rogue
WF totem (pux?)
TWO wf groups and a metric fuckton of damage. Once again, to reiterate, if Pettingzoo is a committed and dependable raider MAKE GARES STAY 2H DPSs. Then LF1M has complete flexibility when it comes to extra tanks and extra dps when need be.
You can tank every single boss in this game with 1 prot warrior and 2 ferals.
Exactly. LF1M is
garreth — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:23Exactly. LF1M is reeeeeeeeally tank heavy atm. If Grov and Ever are the Main tanks, Atar and Zoo can really dps to their hearts' content. I know Atar can pull over 1k dps when grouped right and Zoo is heading there.
On tank and spank fights, Everstar tanks and Grovinski can be A) Wisdom Judger and B) flash healer. Throw on a healing mace with +81 healing and a shield with healing on it and now LF1M has seven and a half healers when they really need it (Kael, Rage, Najentus, Bloodboil, Reliquary, Vashj phase 3, Akama dog-pile, Archimonde). Honestly, a prot pally with 4k mana flash healing his brains in full healing gear COULD MAKE OR BREAK ARCH ATTEMPTS FOR LF1M. Grov does have an entire healing set right?
When Groviniski comes back
saedo — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 11:13When Groviniski comes back even more tanks for em.
Looks like the folks over at
Dufe — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 10:53Looks like the folks over at WWS have fixed the last two VR attempts.
Hmm I guess I can do a bit
saedo — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 10:45Hmm I guess I can do a bit of rogue analysis:
Al'ar - Damage wise, Roguered(6)->Pulga(8)->Barqs(10). That's pretty much the expected order. However, DPS wise went Pulga(802)->Roguered(721)->Barqs(700). DPS time went Roguered(76%)->Barqs(72%)->Pulga(67%). Pulga probably has least experience and can pick up more dps time, but topping DPS among the rogues shouldn't be happening yet no offense. Gear wise and buff wise Roguered should be much higher on the DPS.
Solarian - Damage wise again the same ordering Roguered(7)->Pulga(10)->Barqs(14). DPS wise Pulga(924)->Roguered(906)->Barqs(894). DPS time went Roguered(90%)->Barqs(88%)->Pulga(86%). So the exact same orderings as before. So Pulga will probably move up with more experience to get more DPS time in. Roguered needs to pick up dps, he should be much higher than what he's getting.
One thing I noticed on the
Dufe — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 10:06One thing I noticed on the parses from last night is that pretty much everyone's dps looks lower than I'm used to. However, in looking at overall raid dps versus past kills of the same bosses, the raid as a whole was still doing just fine. (It seems that the "Total Raid DPS" figure may be the result of dividing total raid damage by total fight time, rather than totaling the individual DPS figures.) I think this decrease in individual dps may be a reflection of the increased log accuracy showing up in the parsing. Time will tell as we get more parses up for LF1M under the new system, but keep it in mind for now.
I give you 3 dicks out of
starstalker — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 09:48I give you 3 dicks out of 10.
edit: this is gonna look mighty weird on the front page...
/flings poop at Garreth
"I give you 3 dicks out of
garreth — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 09:52"I give you 3 dicks out of starstalker"
Wow. Just ...wow.
Actually, Barqs, they *do*
Shihli — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 08:42Actually, Barqs, they *do* give you the whole picture, when they are WWS parses. If you spent the whole of the fight dead on the floor, you aren't doing any dps, are you?
Just saying.
lol, exactly. Not saying
garreth — Fri, 03/28/2008 - 09:14lol, exactly. Not saying "You weren't doing your job!" I'm just saying "Can't dps when you're dead!".
And, WWS parses do a remarkable job of giving a "whole-er" picture than any other tool. Yes, I see derch as low dps. So, I ask myself why, go flip up his armory and see his Survival spec. It's obvious he needs more gear and I think he will agree that he'll probably pick it up more the next time around. Shihli is only just now catching up to where he was pre-survival in T6 equivalent gear.
"well not being a dps you can only guestimate exactly what happens in the dps sector of things"
I'm going to avoid trolling you back to the Stone Age here, but let me assure you that my three years of raid leading and coordination have given me a deep insight into the inner workings of all aspects of a raid. I'm not the end-all expert. But I guarantee I have a better grasp on raid dps than a rogue that only just now went combat-swords after 6 months of proof. Too dickish?