Black Temple - Found these Interesting Parses
Cisper — Mon, 04/07/2008 - 07:48
So after doing some digging, found these Parses;
http://wowwebstats.com/ordoa2mliy4yi
It's interesting too compare how strong our melee tends to be on top for Teron Gorefiend - but apparently the melee here suck(fail sound).
By the way, if any Rogues notice anything that I can point out to them that would be sweet, aswell if any tanks could look at Attempt #14 and the ones before that, see if he had his Shield Block up - he died randomly from Crushings throughout attempts toward the end.
PS. 3% First Attempt - then Fail Afterward is suckassshit
Things i noticed about your
Nuitarin — Wed, 04/09/2008 - 09:59Things i noticed about your ferals:
Hovden: Assuming he logged in his dps gear, Not useing 2T4 (he should), he is low on hit rating and has green gems and is geming resil and stamina. He might have logged in "pvp" gear but he isnt using the trinket so I dont know.
Exuberance: Gear has low hit rating and chest/legs are gemed for stam. Gear wont have enough crit he needs to get more agility heavy gear. Two talent points that are assigned to "Nurturing Instinct" are better spent somewhere else.
Both druids have reduced shapeshifting cost but on your best attempt only Exuberance was powersifting but is lower damage than Hov.
That too
Cisper — Tue, 04/08/2008 - 04:04That too
You mainly just wanted to
Jestersrat — Tue, 04/08/2008 - 02:04You mainly just wanted to show off you number 1 spot didnt you jas :P
Let me dig through the holy
garreth — Mon, 04/07/2008 - 13:17Let me dig through the holy pallys a bit:
Pleasure:
Redhed:
It does look like both went down early before the tank, so I can't criticize their ability usage too much. However, they could both bring up effectiveness quite a bit with a little technology ;)
This is mostly based on
saedo — Mon, 04/07/2008 - 11:10This is mostly based on attempt 1 since that seemed to last longest, unless there's other attempts you want me to focus on.
1. They used envenom. This completely gimps Deadly Poison dps. Yea envenom will let ya see big damage numbers for the ADD in ya, but it's not good sustained dps.
2. 2 of the used Shiv, Leely used it a lot. I assumed to try to get Deadly Poison stacking again so they can use envenom. Shiv is worst DPS and DPE than Sinister Strike and this overall tactic is just bad, worst than just simply spamming Sinister Strike and Slice and Dice.
3. Heroism wasn't used in that group at all in any of the attempts.
Anyways if these are their armories, there's some recommendations too:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thaurissan&n=Drayco
- Change all AP gems and enchants into their agility counterparts.
- Get the epic version of the pants enchant.
- Drop Imp Eviscerate. Worthless in raids. Dump it into Vile Poisons, or Imp Poisons. This is a small boost and is optional.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thaurissan&n=Leely
- Get a helm with a meta gem socket, get Relentless Earthstorm, T4 or better (T5, S3, etc).
- If he absolutely doesn't have one of those for some reason, then change the blue gem in the belt to either +8 hit, +4hit/4agil, or +8 agil gems. No reason to use any blue gem unless you need to fulfill a meta requirement.
- Drop Imp Eviscerate. Worthless in raids. Dump it into Vile Poisons, or Imp Poisons. Also take 1 of the filler points from combat too. This is a small boost and is optional.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Thaurissan&n=Spin
- AP gems -> Agility
- Better gem on the T5 shoulders
- Get exalted with Scryers for shoulder enchants, though I'd recommmend Aldor more for PvE purposes, it's a little bit better.
- Drop Imp Eviscerate. Worthless in raids. Dump it into Vile Poisons, or Imp Poisons. This is a small boost and is optional.
Overall, I actually found their gear to be remarkably similar. Some have lower end pieces added with higher end pieces to balance things out. e.g. The only rogue with 4/5 T5 uses Spiteblade.
Plugging spreadsheets, Leely is actually your best geared rogue. Followed very closely behind by Spin, then a bit behind by Drayco. All within 2 dps of each other.
Based on what I can tell from raid buffs, Enh Shammy, Feral Druid, Imp Hunter's Mark, Drums of Battle, Faerie Fire, Sunder Armor, Might, Salv, Elixir of Major Agility (could change to Flask for boost). They should be clocking 1200-1350 dps each in that fight.
First thing I see about the
Agoney — Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:49First thing I see about the rogues is to tell them to stop being cheap, and get +15 agil to gloves instead of 26ap. One rogue is using a spiteblade.. I'm not sure what the goal for hit is, saedo or shin might know it, but one rogue has near 340. Um, also saw a 40ap patch on one of them instead of the 50. Leely is way undergeared compared to the other rogues as well.
Also comparing his Attack
TK28 — Mon, 04/07/2008 - 10:04Also comparing his Attack usage to mine half of all of his abilites used are Heroic Strike.
http://wowwebstats.com/ej4qu41z4jbny?s=6791-7016&a=23 This is the link from our best night on Teron and as you can see my Heroic Strike percent is much lower. He literally maybe spamming it and not allowing auto atks to land and using other abilities as he should give him some threat and allow rage for shield blocks. As a tank it's a fine line between going all out and conservation.
Also I use my TPS gear on Teron.
Jas the tanks miss rate is
TK28 — Mon, 04/07/2008 - 09:48Jas the tanks miss rate is high and his crit rate is low.
Also for some people that may want to know you can believe me if you want to or not Teron has THE hardest crushes ingame. He can Crush for 15k easy mode and in return he has the longest swing timer. It can literally be because he took AoE shadow damage then got crushed or he ran out of rage using abilities and teron got him at a bad time. Most importantly the fight will last a long fucking time if the tank can't hold his raids threat when we rolled into Teron first pull he was at or under 20%.
From a pure damage
Shihli — Mon, 04/07/2008 - 09:30From a pure damage standpoint, elemental *should* always beat enhancement. There's a LOT more elemental gear itemization in endgame than there is enhancement.
However, enhancement still brings more to a raid (WINDFURY) than elemental does.
Rogues seem to be awefully
garreth — Mon, 04/07/2008 - 09:19Rogues seem to be awefully low for a windfury group. Like, REALLY low.
The elemental shammy soundly beating the enh shammy consistently as well is something I wish I understood. The enhancement shammy is socketing hit, not something I was aware they really needed to do. Also, more than one person appears to be wearing their [Medallion of Karabor], though I don't know if it was on for the parses.
How well do you guys do on the optimal debuffs? I see no Recklessness: http://wowwebstats.com/ordoa2mliy4yi?abs#debuffs and instead see Doom. BAD. BAD. BAD.
Judgement of light and wisdom should be up (makes a big difference here). Pleasure was your highest cleanser: http://wowwebstats.com/ordoa2mliy4yi?ab=194 which is good.