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Billchoked the full epic Protection/Retribution Paladin

Anonymous — Wed, 05/07/2008 - 19:51

Character Info
Name: 
Billchoked
Server: 
Gorgonnash
Race: 
Human
Class: 
Paladin
Role: 
Tanking
General Questions
Which days are you available for organized guild events? (Raids, RBGs, etc): 
Monday
Tuesday
Wednesday
Thursday
Friday
Saturday
Sunday
UI
Which addons do you consider essential and why?: 
They are very important
PvE
Raid Experience: 
Every heroic instances (at least 10 times each), full cleared Kara (I was MT), ZA (stucked on Hex Lord), MH (Got Rage Winterchill to 1%, it was a pugged group), TK (Killed VR, couldn't kill A'lar)
Personal
What timezone are you in?: 
Vancouver, Canada
Tell us a little about yourself.: 
I am a Taiwanese currently living in Canada (been living here for ten years), and I love to play games (especially games made by Blizzard)

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billchoked (not verified) — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 20:56

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Dragon's picture

In Soviet Russia, the dragon

Dragon — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 15:10

In Soviet Russia, the dragon fork you!

~Legendary Nobody

Aidin's picture

LoL Vulk you're still

Aidin — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 14:13

LoL Vulk you're still alive???

I like your attitude Bill.  You didn't choke under the grilling of Dragonfork, nor did you go all zomgusucki'msomuchbetterthenyou!!  

lawl

billchoked (not verified) — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 14:33

lawl

Actually, the more defense

Grovinski — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 12:41

Actually, the more defense you have the better. for every 5 Defense = .20% into each slot (dodge parry block) I was just curious why you took them over a stam enchant.

Stock UI is full win IMO. As

Grovinski — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 11:57

Stock UI is full win IMO.

As for me, I have a few short questions. 

No enchant on sword cause it's expensive or did you just get it, if so what enchant are you thinking?

Reckoning... I've debated over this for months and I feel that the points are better spent elsewhere, besides the chance raid boss parrying a reckoning attack. Why did you choose this?

10 stam to boots? No boars speed or even the 12 stam? 

and the defense rating enchants I assume because you were under 490? 

I run heroic MGT everyday

billchoked (not verified) — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 12:17

I run heroic MGT everyday hoping that the 210 sd mace would drop.  If I do get that mace, I will put +40 spell dmg enchant on it.

Currently my spec is only for dailies/aoe-grind farming, notice how I have one point in Seal of Command.  Usually I would take out Reckoning and put those points in stoicism and spell warding for raids.

10 stam is just temporiarly because its cheap.  I will get 12stam enchant to my boots asap.

Actually I can still afford to lose a couple defense rating since I currently have 499.  Once I get my 100 new badge tanking chest I can get rid of my defense rating enchants and replace them with stamina enchants.

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Aidin forgot about me, /cry.

Vulk — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 11:35

Aidin forgot about me, /cry. I have been everything from ret (actually have a 2nd 70 pally who is full time ret), to prot, to holy and I believe I know at least 97% of everything there is to know about each spec, if not more. Of course I don't voice my opinion too often unless I see something really off because everyone can improve somewhere and you guys usually handle it lol :)

P.S. Stock UI is FTL lol

"We cannot direct the winds, but we can adjust our sails."
Check out my videos at http://hosted.filefront.com/Vulkofgorg
Grasen: grrrr kids Aidin: omw don't kill them

Atar's picture

Stock UI FTL.

Atar — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 11:33

Stock UI FTL.

Dragon's picture

Talent Spec: Overall not

Dragon — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 11:30

Talent Spec: Overall not bad, you took one of hte 2 personal choices in 5/5 imp BoM. As I said thought that is a personal decision and  will not have as much impact.

Rebuttles:

2. Your hit cap with maxed precision is 95. The reason this was asked was because it means you can effectively drop about 20 hit rating and stay capped. This normally means you can add another item with higher AP.

3. Minus a fight such as Prince in Kara, melee threat cap (where you will pass the tank) is 110% of the tanks threat. Useful for knowing just how far you can push it. Using a threat meter like omen has the tanks single target threat on a boss and will tell you the amount of threat you would need to reach in order to pass him. (This is helpful in timing your wings)

4. If you are playing ret in a raid setting, you have permission to hound the rest of the paladins for judgements. Normal Judgement priority in PvE Goes Ret JotC(you put crusader on), JoW, JoL in order of priority.

5. Unless you are horribly low on mana for some reason, especially if JoW is on the target you should be dropping R1 Consecrate. The ticks have a chance to proc JoW for you and it only costs 120 mana. (i.e. if it procs twice you made mana by casting the spell).

6. Weapon buffs are nice shamans are better tho. Flask of relentles assault is your best friend in 25m raids. Oh and erm, invest in mana pot stock. LOTS of the stock and bring bunches :D

7. Basic Answer. Regular Paladins 1 str=2AP. PvE Divine Str ret paladins 1 str=2.2 AP. With kings & DivStr 1 str=2.4 AP. This is useful in calculating gear upgrades :D

8. Judging by the sound of your gear. Your next big upgrade should be S3 Scaled Gloves (Best in socket until BT/Sunwell). Also what enchant is on your stormherald.

New question: I noticed that your pic you linked has ktm on it. Have you ever used omen? if so why don't you use it now?

Still looking forward to your responses.

~Legendary Nobody

P.S. If you think I hit like a truck here you should see me raid buffed with wings procced................*drools on keyboard* 

Thank you so much for the

billchoked (not verified) — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 12:25

Thank you so much for the infos, theres alot I still don't know about Ret pallies =(((

Yes, I am working on my S3 gloves, 2 more weeks to go!

Currently I have Executioneer enchant on my Stormherald, I know its not the best enchant for raids because only 65% of our damage are affected by the ignore armor effect.  Mongoose is better for raiding.

I have omen, I just turned it off because I like having more space on my screen =).

 

First of all, I would like

billchoked (not verified) — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 11:14

First of all, I would like to thank you guys for taking the time to read my application, much appreciated =)

Now, to answer Dragonspear's questions:

#1, yes I know stock action bars and unit frames are really unprofessional, but I am very comfortable with my UI setup atm(mind you, I have half cosmos and half titan), If you look at my right action bars, you can see that I have most of them with Ctrl + 1-5 and Shift + 1-5.

#2, I wanted to raid as a tankadin, but I can also raid as a retardin if it is needed by the guild.  Now, to answer your questions about my Retardin:

1. This is my ret raid spec: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sxZxhZEf0t0cuiIot

2. The hit cap for melee 2 hander is 9%, so my 115 hit rating + talent (precision) will give me a enough hit rating.

3. No idea, but I know burst damage from Ret pallies can be really dangerous sometimes, so I just watch my threat meter carefully. 

4. I always do JoCrusader on bosses, because it adds 3% crit to ALL sources.  I've tried switching to other judgements on Gruul before, and our group's dps was lowered by around 10%.

5. CS -> JoCommand -> Consecration/Exorcism if my mana pool/boss type allows it, rinse and repeat.

6. I always use Adamantite Weight (adds 12 weapon dmg and 12 crit ratings), any potions that gives Strength/Crits, Str/Agi scrolls.

7. I don't really understand this question, but right now I have 782 Str unbuffed with 1950 AP

8. I tried several times and couldn't get the code to work =( but I will be more than happy to show you what I have.  So far I have Gladiator's Scale Helm, Merciless Gladiator's shoulder, and the rest are PVE epics from Heroic MGT, Gruul, ZA, Kara (T4 glove), and the new badge loot epic.

9. I think as a retardin your role in 5 mans is to do decent DPS while protecting your groupmates.  For example, if the tank loses aggro to a clothie, I would taunt the mob so that I can kite it around for 3-4 seconds, and then divine shield myself/BoP someone.  Our aura/buffs also significantly increase the party's dps (-30% threat is really, really awesome)

10. I don't think so, I am really enjoying my protection spec right now, so if I can't get into raids, I'll just do badge runs or Kara/ZA to gear myself up.

phew.

To Garreth:

I am avaliable to run 5-mans almost every night!

To Derchlon:

Yes they are.. that is why I switched to prot!

To Aidin:

Lol, Dragonspear hits like a truck ='(

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I feel so bad for pally apps

Aidin — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 09:28

I feel so bad for pally apps in DF.  We have soooo many of us and we just come at you like a truck.  Me and G for the holy pallies and Dragon for the Retardins (sorry that's my pet name for all lolrets).

-100 for being a Canuck!!!! lolol

All good questions Dragon, I look forward to the responses! 

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Ok, here is how things stand

Dragon — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 09:26

Ok, here is how things stand (at the start before questions are asked. not 97% of this will be sarcastic witless humor)

I start you at 100 Points
-10 points for using stock action bars on a paladin
-50 points for using stock unit frames as a paladin
-100 points for currently being a canuck
+5 points for being honest in your app "What might the typical reasons for missing raid be?:
Clubbing/Drinking"
+5 Points for being Orienta
+75 Points for being a Protection Paladin
-40 points for being a Retribution Paladin

Current Point Total: -115

Now for the actual questions (bear in mind, I ask only retribution paladin related questions as it is my field of "expertise")

1. You have stated that your retribution build is 5/8/48, where exactly do you put your points for said build?

2. What is the hit cap for retribution paladins?

3. What is the melee threat cap?

4. What is your judgement priority in a raid setting on a boss?

5. What is your standard attack rotation as a ret paladin?

6. What are your common retribution consumables as a ret paladin that you will bring to raid?

7. Assuming full raid buffs and 4 paladins are brought, what is the Str->AP Ratio?

8. What exactly does your ret gear look like? To give a general idea type in the item so that it would look like item <name of item linked> /item all areas that have item should look as follows [item] and/or [/item]

General Questions:

9. Opinion on 5 mans?

10. This is normally asked to warrior apps but since you have mentioned retribution I believe it is a legit question to ask here. If we are unable to immediately get you into raids will you end up just speccing retribution and pvping rather than tanking?

Sorry for all the questions but I look forward to your answers :D

 

~Legendary Nobody

Derchlon's picture

It does seem like Tanks are

Derchlon — Thu, 05/08/2008 - 00:30

It does seem like Tanks are the hardest thing to come by for 5-mans these days.

garreth's picture

Pretty kick ass app.  What

garreth — Wed, 05/07/2008 - 21:03

Pretty kick ass app.  What nights are you on and available to run 5-mans?

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