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Oops, misread. Disregard
chrislow — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 17:08Oops, misread. Disregard
Typically, if I get a
Shihli — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 14:41Typically, if I get a spriest or a pally keeping JoW on the boss I have zero mana problems. If I get both I literally CAN'T get rid of my mana fast enough.
Survival's dps is generally lower than BM's by about 100-300 dps overall. But I bring a raid-wide dps increase of about 750 with my current gear, while BM brings, at best and at our level of gear, approx. 240 dps increase (2000 dps by our top casters ... 3% of that is 60dps additional due to FI, multiply that by 4 for the BM's group).
i appologize for the
Sorreah — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 14:33i appologize for the spelling ( sounds like a story to be told )
id think for later attempts where we are working on dps over healing you will most likely get some help with your mana regen in a shaman or Spriest
but i would love to hear the results of boom testing survival is interesting to me i have always been beast
and the steady thing i didnt see here sounds like you couldnt find it either
Well, maybe not my "previous
Shihli — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 14:05Well, maybe not my "previous post" but I had a post around here somewhere that addressed it. Meh.
Two things Sorreah: 1)
Shihli — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 14:04Two things Sorreah:
1) Name's SHIHLI. Two H's. Shili looks too close to Shill, and I instantly hate ANYONE that calls me Shill. Talk to me in-game to know more about that.
2) Read my post previous to yours. I mention Steady being affected by haste. I was debating about going a 3:2 rotation with mixed arcane/multi for as many steadies as I could, but that's going to chew through mana super-fast. Boomtesting with theorycraft is my next step methinks.
shili you are forgetting
Sorreah — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 13:53shili you are forgetting that haste effects steady shot
that should mean your rotaions might even need to be shifted to a 3:2
you arent beast so even with stacking all your haste i dont think you could make a 1:1 optimal
although i have 0 spreadsheets in front of me or honestly anything outside of net access to cross reference this stuff
This might be more
Shihli — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 11:36This might be more complicated than originally thought ...
[Legionkiller] might just be better than [Black Bow of the Betrayer] after all. Given my typical shot cycle, BBotB leaves about 0.27sec of "dead time" in each 2:1 shot cycle (2 specials per auto), and 0.52sec of dead time in each 1:1 shot cycle (1 steady to 1 auto).
However, with Legionkiller there's only 0.18sec of dead time in each 2:1 cycle, and 0.32sec of dead time in each 1:1 cycle. Less dead time = more shots fired = more damage done per second.
Think I might have to do some boomtesting Friday afternoon.
So if I swap from
Shihli — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 10:48So if I swap from [Valestalker Girdle] to [Boneweave Girdle], not only do I get back to above the hit cap, but I also bring my shot time to 2.53sec, so a 1.5:1 or 1.4:1 rotation should work just fine.
If I go with my cat instead of my wolf, and with full typical 25man raid buffs, my raid dps should sit somewhere in the 1800-1900 dps range. Add to that the 750 dps from Expose Weakness and with me around, the raid sees an additional 2500-2700 dps.
Brut on Monday should be fun!
Next time we look at
Shihli — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 10:31Next time we look at Brutallus, regardless of plans, I'm going to go all-out on consumables and everything else.
I know I can do more dps than I have been, I just need to see what's holding me back. My sneaking suspicion is that I have to actually DROP some haste and possibly get my HR to cap (I'm at 86, cap is at 95). Right now I'm at 88 haste rating (5.6% haste) with a 15% haste quiver, which brings my autoshot speed down to 2.47sec attack speed. Currently, I'm running a 1.5:1 rotation, which means I do this:
- Steady shot (1.5sec cast time)
- Auto shot (0.5sec cast time)
- Steady shot (1.5sec cast time)
- Arcane/Multi Shot (0.5sec cast time)
- Auto shot (0.5sec cast time)
- rinse and repeat
Total cycle time for 2 specials per auto: 2.5sec
In short, it looks like I'm clipping shots right now. My shot cycle requires 2.5sec (with picture perfect latency ... in reality, closer to 2.7sec) but my auto shot fires every 2.47sec. I'm clipping shots.
Humbug.
Two things to do tonite:
1) Adjust gear to meet my shot cycle, or adjust shot cycle to meet my gear.
2) Get an autoshot cast bar timer!
I would also like to point
garreth — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 09:47I would also like to point out: http://wowwebstats.com/kdoifs215awlg (heals tab)
Eledin has improved SUBSTANTIALLY. Those are huge numbers man and we all know that you're working your ass off. It really shows.
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As fire I'm having to hold
Karli — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 09:27As fire I'm having to hold back a LOT. I know Rupter and Netti and I have had some loose conversation in mage chat and we all experienced the same thing. There are several things that can contribute to this, but I do think I noticed a difference when we switched Mnor and Orky. I'm having to straight up stop casting at times because I'm watching my threat get at 125%....as arcane I would rarely get over 90%, so it's definitely a change for me. I'm not completely sure Arcane would be fully sustainable on this fight, but, if I stacked my int/spirit/mana regen gear I could probably do it. I do remember saying at one point that I felt like things might be less stressful, at least for learning, to go back to arcane until we can get a bit more of a solid grasp on things.
Mostly as I'm dpsing I watch the debuffs and if I'm at 115-120 when there is only one slash debuff, I'll have to stop dpsing because it's going to be 2 more slashes before a taunt can put me in a safe zone again.
My gear is not fully optimal for fire yet, and it's been a damn long time since I've played fire so it's going to take some getting used to. I may honestly try arcane again and compare some numbers and mana usage to decide what I really want to be doing. But bottom line is that I think all of us dpsers were getting gimped from threat, but we EXPECT to have some challenges at this point in the learning curve. We'll get there
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Enixa, if you can squeak out
garreth — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 09:14Enixa, if you can squeak out just about 200 more dps you'll be hitting the personal quota + bringing tremendous raid buffs. I think you did great.
Also, 1900 dps Netti: http://wowwebstats.com/kdoifs215awlg?s=77820-96153
I can die a happy man.
I can tell in the parses where the dps is "holding back" to avoid threat issues, so I won't be riding anyone here.
The only thing we still really need to work on is tank healing. Granted, at the end of the night the tank healing was SOLID and we were only wiping due to pulls and the resulting crazy positioning. With Garreth, Eledin, Sorreah, Jorence and Nhia spam healing the tanks, they are much much more solid. We also proved that Kati+Closer = win on fires. We will rotate Kati or Closer out to get Sandar in as fire healer as well.
We're moving to a double-bear tank strategy that I think will make a huge difference.
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Just as a side note: My dps
Rylar (not verified) — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 00:47Just as a side note: My dps wasnt good enough for my own taste so been going over some numbers and next time ill be a different spec, However I will be keeping 3/3 Malediction, Shadows Embrace etc, However the one thing I will lose is I will only beable to get 2/3 Improved Imp which is only like 70 HP less on imp so shouldn't be to big of a deal. I'll be testing the spec out of course before hand to make sure i'm not specing into something worse
~Enixa
Parses:
saedo — Wed, 07/16/2008 - 23:35Parses: http://wowwebstats.com/unw66e6kscqmk
Only 2 logs. Me and wiges. Garreth's zip file fails.
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I re-uploaded mine, try
garreth — Wed, 07/16/2008 - 23:54I re-uploaded mine, try again.
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New parses:
saedo — Thu, 07/17/2008 - 00:01New parses: http://wowwebstats.com/kdoifs215awlg
With Garreth's log now we have 0.13% more accuracy.
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A lot to consider tonight
garreth — Wed, 07/16/2008 - 15:24A lot to consider tonight for Brut:
Enixa will be full Affliction to help with the tank group. That's stam for tanks and reduction in boss hit. Will also be bringing imp CoE for the magies. He's taking a huge dps hit, but the goal here is to get to enrage.
Me and Kati will be on fires.
On tanks will be: Sorreah, Eledin, Closer and Jorence + Nhia chaining.
On raid will be Sandar and/or Chrislow. We'll adjust as needed.
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Will be late for this.
Katibug — Sun, 07/13/2008 - 22:55Will be late for this.