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Raid: LF1M

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Black Temple/Mount Hyjal

Please, please please, have your consumables ready, be fully repaired, and take care of your afk's as much as possible before invites go out. To be successful on Illidan, we will need to get to the point where we can clear the first 8 bosses in BT by the end of the night on Wednesday. This means starting as quickly as possible after invites, and keeping focused.

Invites will be based on raid composition needs. Generally that will include 3 tanks, 8 healers, and 14 dps. We have a few extra LF1M raiders in these rolls, please be patient if you don't get in every night.

Thu, 08/07/2008 - 11:15
Thu, 08/07/2008 - 14:00
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Threerick
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Dufe's picture

Lol - I actually thought you

Dufe — Fri, 08/08/2008 - 00:06

Lol - I actually thought you caught me at first, before I reread what I had written.  The life of the grammar nazi is truly a hard one.

Derchlon's picture

upon further inspection, you

Derchlon — Fri, 08/08/2008 - 00:03

upon further inspection, you are correct. I would answer that question as "he (or she) saw the parse" so "whoever" would be the correct usage. My bad.

Grasen/Aidin/Zoo was the subject, and the word "it" could be replaced with its original context of "parse," which was the object of the verb "saw."

If you had been refering to Grasen/Aidin/Zoo as the object of the parse, such as "the parse was looked at by Grasen" then "whom" would have been the correct usage.

 

Derchlon's picture

As Taken from a podcast at

Derchlon — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 23:55

As Taken from a podcast at http://grammar.quickanddirtytips.com/who-versus-whom.aspx 

"So here we go. The words who and whom
are both pronouns. I'll have a quick and dirty trick for you later, but
first I want you to actually understand the right way to use these
words.

First, to know whether to use who or whom, we need to talk about the difference between subjects and objects because you use who when you are referring to the subject of a clause and whom when you are referring to the object of a clause.

I know: subject and object sound pretty abstract, but it's easy. If we
think about people, the subject of the sentence is the person doing
something, and the object of the sentence is having something done to
them. If I step on Squiggly, then I am the subject and Squiggly is the
object.

Still having a hard time remembering? Here's my favorite mnemonic: If I
say, "I love you," you are the object of my affection, and you
is also the object of the sentence (because I am loving you, making me
the subject and you the object). How's that? I love you. You are the
object of my affection and my sentence.  It's like a Valentine's Day
card and grammar mnemonic all rolled into one.

OK. So you all asked about who versus whom, but what I think you really want to know is just when to use whom, because most people don't go around throwing unneeded whoms into their sentences. So remember, you use whom when you are referring to the object of a sentence. Use whom when you are referring to the object of a sentence.

For example, it is "Whom did you step on?"
if you are trying to figure out that I had squished Squiggly.
Similarly, it would be "Whom do I love?" because you are asking about
the object -- the target of my love. I know, it's shocking,
but the Rolling Stones were being grammatically incorrect when they
belted out the song "Who Do You Love?" which I think was originally
written by Bo Diddley.

So when is it OK to use who? If you were asking about the subject of these sentences, then you would use who.
For example, "Who loves you?" and "Who stepped on Squiggly?" In both
these cases the one you are asking about is the subject -- the one
taking action, not the one being acted upon.

Still too hard to remember? OK, here's the quick and dirty tip. Like whom, the pronoun him ends with m. When you're trying to decide whether to use who or whom, ask yourself if the answer to the question would be he or him. That's the trick: if you can answer the question being asked with him, then use whom, and it's easy to remember because they both end with m. For example, if you're trying to ask, "Who (or whom) do you love?" The answer would be "I love him." Him ends with an m, so you know to use whom. But if you are trying to ask, "Who (or whom) stepped on Squiggly?" the answer would be "He stepped on Squiggly." There's no m, so you know to use who. So that's the quick and dirty trick: if you can't remember that you use whom when you are referring to the object of the sentence, just remember that him equals whom."

Dufe's picture

Doesn't "who" always refer

Dufe — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 23:38

Doesn't "who" always refer to a person? My understanding is that "whom" is an object (direct or indirect) and "who" is a subject. In that sentence, who would be the subject, unless there is some twist that I am somehow unaware of.

(I love the picture either way.) 

Derchlon's picture

whomever* you are refering

Derchlon — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 23:18

whomever*

you are refering to a person as the direct target of the word "who" and it adopts the "m"

Dufe's picture

Only possible explanation,

Dufe — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 23:12

Only possible explanation, really.  Note that my log isn't in the parse, so this is how Grasen/Zoo/Aidin or whoever saw it.

Derchlon's picture

lol@Dufe's misfortune. A

Derchlon — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 23:05

lol@Dufe's misfortune.

A latency issue with registering the buff maybe?

 

Dufe's picture

I OFFICIALLY CALL

Dufe — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 22:59

I OFFICIALLY CALL SHENANIGANS ON THIS PULL:

http://wowwebstats.com/l1q2vyekgkpuo?s=216189-217007&bl=216189&fia=x7011a7&fiaa=i 

jaibyrd's picture

Well the bad news is my

jaibyrd — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 22:20

Well the bad news is my parse thingy didnt work again.  The good news is that I now know one MORE thing that I can do wrong with it.  Live and learn I say, live and learn.  Thanks for making it so easy to alt in and heal. You guys ROCK!!

Yes, I like to heal. No, I've never been shadow.

Derchlon's picture

I won't be here tonight. 

Derchlon — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 16:32

I won't be here tonight.  Dad's Birthday.

Gares of War's picture

I will be late, by like 5-10

Gares of War — Thu, 08/07/2008 - 16:11

I will be late, by like 5-10 minutes if my calculations are correct.  I am leaving work at 6 server because I cam ein late, but it takes me 10 minutes to get home, also I haven't eaten today so I need to get something fast, a 5-15 act as well.  If you can save me a spot, it would be peachy keen, if not, I understand.

 

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Heres the link to the Teron

Threerick — Wed, 08/06/2008 - 21:32

Heres the link to the Teron simulator.

http://www.ferox-horde.de/feroxtgs2/

 

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Dufe's picture

Tonight will be Teron first.

Dufe — Wed, 08/06/2008 - 21:03

Tonight will be Teron first. Be sure you've practiced the simulator if you have a rough time with constructs. Once Teron goes down, we'll move on to Mother, so bring ALL of your SR gear. We can absolutely get Council as well, so be ready and refresh yourself on the strat.

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