On a side note, any other mages out there see the great damage deep frost can do? Between icy veins, icy fingers, brain freeze (instant, free fireball), and hard hitting frost bolts, along with the one minute long lasting water elemental hitting for over 1k a bolt, deep frost is serving me quite well.

Not only that, blizzard can crit now, and slows things to a crawl, 85% reduced movement speed, while applying 5 layers of winters chill (which providers + 10% crit on the enemies) after one cast. Casting this on a clump of horde is too much fun. It also makes ranged dps pulling aggro on meele trash irrelevant as they move just too slow to get to them (when they can be chilled of course).

It's been very competitive on damage meters for me, even with my sub par gear (which isn't as sub par now thanks to some lucky rolls in pugs).

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Jeremyj

Thanks to everyone for the fun last night in AQ 40, BWL, and MC. Brought back some very old memories of raiding. Thanks to Vulk for the invite. It was great running with you guys, and I enjoyed playing and listening to all of your banter :)

I like this guy and he seems literate.

Bumping this post so that all the others that just refresh www.downfallguild.org/tracker actually see this.

Thanks to Ensidius (spelling?), warrior tank, for a fun Heroic Slave Pens run on Tuesday night!

Would like to see you around more :) We've kind of pulled back the weekend "fun runs" with Wrath so close, but we're still doing fun stuff.

Thought I would chime in. I have not been on that much, but just wanted to tell everyone that I am alive. I am enjoying a new deep frost build, with my mage - Jeremyj, that is making farming a sinch. Let's see, here's some interesting thoughts I have that will hopefully entertain all of you:

* Why is there everyday advertisements for new guilds that say they have a tabard and 2 bank tabs? "Insert new guild name here" is now recruiting. We are looking for level 30 + characters, are a friendly guild that helps each other with a tabard and 2 bank tabs, pst for more. --> My guess it that there are lots of 'guild hoppers' out there. People who get dis-satisfied easily with guilds and try and start their own. That and people who hate their guild, left, but did nothing while hating their guild to make it better.

* People complaining that alliance never wins battlegrounds. --> I think that a good leader can organize the troops to win battlegrounds. There are generally efficient strategies to each that when applied significantly increase the chance of winning. Simple organization. It's just that not many people can or want to take the initiative for it and complaining is easier.

* Socketing choice speaks volumes --> You can understand a lot about a player by their socketing. Are there cheap, non-crafted, and irrelevant gems socketed? Is there no meta gem socketed because they say they don't know where to get one? I say hmm, this person is in need of some serious guidance, or is just lazy.

* Attention wanters --> These are the people who can't stop talking in vent. Please, do our ears a favor and shhhhhhhhhhh. Yes, it's okay to talk about something interesting and chit chat here and there, but don't go on and on about dude this and dude that. Makes people over 30 nauseous.

* Warriors can't AoE tank (Pre Patch 3.0.2) --> Warriors may not have it as easy as Paladins pre 3.0.2. But I grouped with a warrior pre 3.0.2. He AoE tanked all of heroic shattered halls. On the last boss, He tanked all the adds and the boss while we killed him. His skilled use of thunderclap, devastate, cleave, and multi targeting was awesome to watch. He had about 13 adds on him during the final boss and my healing from my shaman only pulled off once to which he immediately intervened and dragged back. Why don't warriors use intervene more?

Let's see, that's all, I hope I was entertaining or at least helped pass a few minutes of your time :)

"Oh btw, - 50 DKP cause you associate with the likes of Lepp. ...I may give you 25 back if you say you're only nice cause Spek makes you!!"

Aidin knows how em00 I really am. lol I knew that was going to haunt you!!

"grasen rep to Unhappy." I hit hated "at war"

It is a guild entry requirement that in order to get in you MUST get the guild Hunter Grasen mind controlled and then kill him. This awards you +100 DKP, raises your guild rep to friendly, and lowers your grasen rep to Unhappy.

"--Many class changes. You won't like the ones made
to your own class but you'll think the changes made to the 9 other
classes are all overpowered." ~Tigole, Blizzard CM

Probably some more information about me would be good that wasn't explained well enough on the app.  Jeremyj, my mage, is an alt of mine I transfered from the Lightbringer server.  I have other characters there (Superjerm a resto shammy - this is my main character, theJerm, a demonology warlock, and a variety of other red headed step children that I like to neglect).

I've talked with Ardea/Lepp about your guild and you seem to be an intriguing bunch.  I look forward to meeting all of you.  That being said, I don't think my main contribution to your guild will be hardcore 25 man raids.  I am a husband and father first and that coupled with my work means heavy raiding is out of the question for me.

I however very much enjoy getting into any instances/raids I can where time permits and will be watching for your raid leaders open groups when they are on.  5 man heroics are also very enjoyable for me.  Perhaps in the future heavy raiding will be a possibility, but not anytime soon.  Just wanted to make sure this was clear and out in the open.  Oh, and Lepp/Ardea likes gnomes :)

Wow +50 DKP for doing my job for me!

Came in to do my normal pasting..and low and behold it's already here...

I will also follow the advice of the below information in my application to the Downfall guild journey :) 

Thank you for your application to Downfall. We are not currently recruiting for our 25 man MH/BT/SW raids. This does not mean that your application is or will be rejected. What it does mean, is that you will now be faced with a few tasks.

Downfall is a community first and foremost and a successful raiding guild second. First you need to ask yourself what it is you want from Downfall. If it's a spot in end game raid, and nothing more...then you may want to seek entry into another one of the many guilds on Gorgonnash.

If you desire a strong sense of community then get ready to work for it! When we talk about community, we aren't talking about the type of community that jumps when you say OMGRUNMYALTTHRUVC!!!! We're talking about a group for people who love this game we pour our lives into, people who will run things with you when they have time, people who may have their own special way of contributing to the community.

Now that you have applied (and if my wall of text didn't lose u 2 paragraphs ago), don't just sit there and hope someone will come hunt you down and say "HERE'S YOUR INVITE!!" because that simply will not happen. Those who gain entry into Downfall work for it. Members have waited upwards of 3 months or more to be part of our community. How do you ensure that you have every option to be the next addition?

Here's an idea:

• Stay active on this thread, it's your application. You will receive feedback and recommendations. Don't take anything personal, if you can't take constructive criticism, you will never make it in guild chat. Applications are open to the entire community, not just officers, so if you were a douche to a member in the past, be ready for it to bite you in the ass.
• If given goals to meet, make them.
• Sign up for events you can make and which you are geared for. No need to sign up for MH/BT/SW, as those aren't testing grounds for new members. Focus on the Sunday Gruul/Mag run by yours truly or the Saturday SSC/TK run by Grasen.
• If you sign up...show up. No one likes an app who signs up for all raids and never shows.
• Download the raid pack. DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT show up to a Gruul/Mag or SSC/TK without our required add ons. If you do not understand what you are looking at, then research it. If you still don't understand, post you're question and someone will help you. (If you think only bad players use mods, we can say our goodbyes right now)
• Do everything you can to get your name out there, and show why you should be part of our community. Run 5 mans, Run 10 mans, participate in forum discussions.

If and when you are accepted into Downfall, you are strictly on a trial basis. If we invite you because you convinced us you were the worlds greatest healer/tank/random dps class, and you looooooooooove to run 5 mans...but you never run a thing, you never sign up for fun runs, and you burn out and don't sign on for 1+ months, don't be surprised if you find yourself guildless on log in one day.

It's very simple, don't say what we want to hear just to get in,
because it will haunt you in the end. Be honest, and we will be fair.

With that said....GOOD LUCK ON YOUR APPLICATION!