Downfall Application

Botwin — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 12:01

Character Info

Name:

Botwin

Server:

Gorgonnash

Race:

Gnome

Class:

Death Knight

Role:

Tanking

General Questions

Which days are you available for organized guild events? (Raids, RBGs, etc):

Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

Thursday

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

Upload UI:

Which addons do you consider essential and why?:

My UI is very clean, very organized and has everything I need from threat monitors to raid frames to respawn/battle rez/misdirect timers without even taking up 1/3 of my screen.

PvE

Raid Experience:

Vanilla-
Molten Core- Cleared it on Priest, Druid, Top DPS rogue
BWL - Cleared is on Priest (First T2 Chest on Gorg), Druid, Top DPS rogue
ZG - Cleared on those 3 again (Priest was server 1st ZG clear)
AQ40 - Cleared on Priest, Druid, guild I was in on my rogue only got to Twin Emps
AQ20 - Cleared on all 3
Naxx - Cleared through 4 Horsemen on my Resto Druid

TBC-
Karazhan - Cleared on Rogue/Warrior, top dps on both as well as tanked it on my warrior
Gruul/Mag - Same as Kara
SSC/TK - These instances was where my guild (Lush) died and my original warrior got hacked. After that I quit the game for a year and came back on another server and rolled a new warrior on another server and joined my RL friend's guild. That warrior ended up clearing these in PuGs as prot but we were already in BT by the time I came back.
Hyjal - Cleared as tank. Also cleared once on a clear where we only had me and a feral druid tanking EVERYTHING.
BT - Cleared as tank
Sunwell - Cleared as tank

Personal

What timezone are you in?:

Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Tell us a little about yourself.:

I'm a sexy stoner Canadian dude, I'd write more but that app burned me out on apping -_-;

Open/Closed:

Closed

Well, he plays Basketball so

Agoney — Thu, 12/04/2008 - 07:01

Well, he plays Basketball so I'm down.

I like this application.

jaibyrd — Thu, 12/04/2008 - 02:04

I like this application. Often I don't even weigh in but I like him because
1) he is from Alberta
2) he obviously knows how to play/class stuff
3) I appreciate his honesty about how many raid nights he can make, most of us if we actually look at our attendance is very simular to what he says he does.

So basically I'd like to do some grouping with him and see what kinda person he is but first impression is sure positive. ;-D

However if you are a Stampeder fan...this is all null and void.

Part of the reason I started

Botwin — Thu, 12/04/2008 - 10:16

Part of the reason I started leveling my DK so late was because I was in Ontario/Montreal for the Grey Cup :D

Well..hmm...since I live in

jaibyrd — Thu, 12/04/2008 - 16:48

Well..hmm...since I live in NE Alberta I'm not actually a Esks fan. I grew up in BC and I've always been a Lions fan. Heartbreaking that it wasn't an all west gray cup this year, wasn't it?

See normally I'd agree since

Botwin — Fri, 12/05/2008 - 16:12

See normally I'd agree since in years past BC has been my second favorite team but it was just so satisfying after they gave out the most outstanding player and all star game to everyone but the best team in the league, my Stamps, to see everyone else get stomped out including BC who had more than half the West All Stars on their roster (for the 4th time).

Questions to follow.

Shihli — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 12:37

Questions from a fellow Unholy DK, who is MT in 10-man instances and OT in 25's :

1) (Disregard if not currently tanking) why didn't you pick up Blade Barrier, Toughness, or Anticipation?

2) Why didn't you max out Necrosis or go for Outbreak?

3) Why did you go with Impurity? It does *not* add 25% of your Attack Power as damage, but rather the *damage coefficients* scale with your attack power. This leads to, at best, approx. 10-12% damage increase on Death Coil - and much much lower overall improvements on all other DK spells.

4) Why bother with Master of Ghouls when, in a raid and heroic dungeon environment, the ghoul dies too fast to make an impact?

5) Why bother with Wandering Plague? I used to think this was a good talent too until I read the fine print - it has, for you currently, a 21% chance to deal additional damage from your diseases to surrounding targets. This means that, at most, this will proc once every 5 seconds or so, for approx. 200-300 damage per proc, per target. This means that on a typical group pull (3-4 mobs), it will do - again, at most - about 240 dps. Assuming nearby targets aren't disease-immune. And this is in dps gear - if you plan on tanking your crit chance will plummet and the talent will be near-worthless.

Ok now as for the questions

Botwin — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 13:46

Ok now as for the questions from my DK brotha, I'm not a tank yet I just posted that as what I prefer doing. ATM I'm all out DPS spec since I don't have the gear to tank yet. (I still love dpsing too)

1. I'm not tanking right now.

2. Outbreak is an aoe talent and there's plenty of AoE I have without it, maybe not maxed but will cost me boss dps which is where I feel I really need to do the max possible damage.

3. Impurity causes just over 5% of your total DPS since Unholy is the most magical damage based spec for a DPS DK in Naxx equivalent gear.

4. The master of ghouls adds a great deal to dps in a fight where it survives well along with it's utility to soloing.

5. Wandering plague - This not only spreads desieses to multiple adds but makes all of your disease dots have a chance equal to crit (30% in naxx gear more fully buffed) to do 100% extra damage, effectively making your dots crit. In effect it's one of the most damage/talent point talents according to theorycrafting.

Edit: BTW my tanking spec will be very differant but I don't need to spec it unless you guys need me to MT

To address points: 1)

Shihli — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 13:55

To address points:

1) Ok.

2) Gotcha, since you're not tanking Pestilence/BB aren't as important.

3) From everything I've read Impurity doesn't stack up very well for a dps-focused build. I haven't read any of the EJ theorycraft work, however commentary on Wowhead seems to indicate that it's not exactly worth the points.

4) I'm impressed that your pet survives long enough to sneeze at a boss.

5) Wandering Plague does *not* spread diseases. It deals damage to nearby targets when a disease damages a target - the only way to spread diseases around in an AoE fashion is by way of Pestilence. And again, my math indicates that against a typical boss (1 mob), at 30% chance to proc, you're going to see ... maybe 50-60 dps increase thanks to it. There are no bosses in the current content where you'd be dps'ing more than the boss themself, so at the cost of 3 deep-tree talent points you're looking at maybe 50-60 dps increase, which - if my dps as a tank is any indication - is about 3%. You be the judge on whether those points are best spent there.

3. Scourge strike is magic

Botwin — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 14:11

3. Scourge strike is magic damage, so is UB and Death coil that's enought right there for a big damage boost.

5. I'm mainly trusting EJ theory crafting on this, I haven't gotten to raid yet enough to test things out myself as of yet.

Scourge Strike is indeed

Shihli — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 15:49

Scourge Strike is indeed magic damage, I might have to do some testing on Impurity to see if it's worth the points. As for the EJ theory work on Wandering Plague, the way I see it the math breaks down like this:

Let's say you have a 33% chance to crit. Wandering Plague cannot proc more than once per second. This means that *on average*, it will proc once every three seconds. When it procs, it will deal 100% of the disease damage on a target (aka Plagued Blood), which typically procs for ~200-300 damage. Let's go on the high end and say 300 damage per proc, per eligible target.

This means that if you're only fighting one mob, Wandering Plague will *on average* deal 300 damage every 3 seconds, for a 100 dps increase. Do keep in mind, though, that this is on the high end of gear - right now in my dps set I have ~22% crit, and my disease procs for ~240 damage on the high end, meaning Wandering Plague would proc about once every five seconds, for a total dps increase of about 48 - way smaller than the 100 dps quoted above.

When you do reach that high of a crit chance, odds are you'll be doing the 2500+ dps numbers, which means a 100 dps increase is a 4% damage increase, for 3 talent points - this is certainly worth it at that level of gear. At my level of gear, it'd be about ... oh, 2.5 to 3% increase.

So it might well be worth it at all levels of gearing, but it certainly scales as your gear gets better. I'll have to do some more research to see what turns up.

I have just a few questions

Fjork — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 12:46

I have just a few questions for you.

From your statements, your a very hardcore Raider with a great deal of history with a Guild.
- Why are you leaving this guild? As a Main-Tank for a Sunwell raiding guild, they must rely on you very heavily, and you them. What is causing you to apply elsewhere?
Three months is to long to wait to get into a Raid.
- How long was the average turnaround time for someone to join your 25man Sunwell Raid?
- The reason I ask this question is because as a long-term Raider you should already have an intristic understanding of how long it really takes for a Raider to establish themselves with a guild which can in some cases be three months.
You are looking to see new content.
- How satisfied will you be with a Raid that DOESN'T see new content? Such as a 10man weekly raid?
You will only have 70%-80% reliability on Farm Nights.
- Why would you be unreliable on nights that the guild needs you the most?
- Farm nights are purely for the highest geared toons to work front-lines to catch up the toons having gear that is subpar. With only a 70-80% reliability I will tell you now that you will not be able to join either of our raids.
You will be unavailable most Tuesday's except on "Important" Raid-Nights.
- If you are wanting to join either of our two end-game Raids, EVERY Tuesday night is an "Important" Raid-Night. Both of our Raids are on a continual weekly rotation that includes every tuesday.

Normally I am alot more positive with guild apps and such, but I will be frank with you so that you do not get the wrong opinion of me. It appears you do not have the right idea of what Downfall is as a guild.

Downfall is a community first, a raiding-guild second.

Yes, we do have a fair number of raiders who spend 100% of their game time either in-raid or prepping for raid. It happens, however each of these Raiders is dedicated to not only themselves but the Raid and Guild as a whole.

If your application was written with a completely different intent, but you only accidentally came off as a cocky, holier than thou, impatient, selfish raider than I apoligize right now.

My advise to you is to do one of two things:

If your application did not get across who you really are, click the "edit" button and update it with who you really are as a raider, not your epeen.
If your application is who you really are, you might consider a more hardcore guild with less focus on community.

Alright first I'll go through

Botwin — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 13:29

Alright first I'll go through the answers to Pedran: Why I left stoic was because the main reason I was in it was because one of my best RL friends was in Stoic, I was not the MT nor would I be in WotLK since I started Lich King late they had full raids so they wont be missing me THAT much. It was time to move on and I decided to go back to my roots on Gorg for the PvP, the old friends and some new friends. My RL friend that I went to play with said he'd xfer here as well if he starts playing again as well. As to not waiting 3 months to raid that doesn't mean if I don't get in I won't keep my app up until there is room, but I have friends in many guilds and would want to play with people like orky anyway. With the time I put into WoW I like to raid and if I can't do so in 1 guild I'll find another. For my looking to see new content, it's not about progressing insanely fast, it's about overcomming a hurdle. What I mean by that is 2-3 or even 5-6 weeks on the same boss isn't going to discourage me, I'm not a quitter. I just meant to state as a raider and as a member of the guild I'll do what I can or what you need me to to down that boss. 80% is very high, it's usualy the base standard for the very best and server top guilds, that doesn't mean it WILL be 80% it just may drop to that during these couple months I'm busy coaching the basketball team I may have to miss or at least be late for 1/5 raids a week. In my old guild stoic my attendance over the course of the 4 months I raided with them was 99% missing one raid because my sister was in the hospital. Tuesday is an important day I know that, but there's a differance between missing something RL wise to make a wipe night on a challenging boss and missing one and letting a backup have a spot for a raid instead of killing (for example) Sartharion for the 50th time. I can say with full confidance that if given a chance, I will be one of the top attendees. I'm sorry if the app came out cocky, it was meant to come out as confidant, I usualy fill out apps as I would a resume, very professionaly. That's not what I'm about at all, all these high standards I have are more about my own play. I didn't put who I am as a person more because I really believe you have to meet me, I'm a chilled out take er ez person in RL not any kind of freak out over mistakes nazi. After all Lush was my favorite guild I've ever been in and as the name emphasizes it was a relax and get drunk with friends type of raiding environment that Tew and I were striving for. Every guild is based on being a community that's what makes it fun, I'm active in forums and like to run with pugs within the guild (How I got to know Tew was our "Bi-Weekly Drunken ZG" in Vanilla). I can't say I'll be everyone's best friend but if you're into cracking jokes and not freaking out in raids we'll get along great. It seems like you went after my more hardcore app style AND my more chill out RL comes first opinions. The only thing I can say is I got along with Orky and Rupta great and I'm sorry my app came off as cocky but you can't really understand my tone while typing that's exactly why I don't think I can represent my personality through an app. If this is a real concern give me an interview in vent I'm not the person you seem to think I am :( -Logan

For some reason even thought I spaced everything out this came out as a wall of text really sorry.

It is something with the

Fjork — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 13:40

It is something with the guild-apps. You have to put your text in, then hit "edit" after you complete it and change it up. The Guild-Site just went through a major revamp.

And on to my post.

I'm sorry.

There was no excuse for me to be quite so......... callous? to a guild app. I'm sorry for that.

I can respect your attempt at a professional guild-application, and to be honest I was trying to re-edit my original post because I came across as a complete a-hole, which REALLY wasn't my intent. After your explanation, I see where your 'intent' was in alot of your statements and I'm sorry for my assumptions and for how badly my 'intent' came across (which wasn't as negative as that post is.).

You get my vote just for responding to my jerkface post in such a positive manner.

Hey no prob dude I understand

Botwin — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 13:42

Hey no prob dude I understand where you're comming from, with no sense of tone and context in typing my app very well may have come through as a know it all douchebag. I AM a know it all but I only offer my opinions and advice when asked. Thanks for the vote bro :D

Haha. No problem on the

Fjork — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 13:45

Haha. No problem on the vote, but see my disclaimer. Good luck with your application.

I forgot my normal

Fjork — Wed, 12/03/2008 - 12:49

I forgot my normal disclaimer:

I am not a guild officer, recruiter, raid-leader, or nearly anything except a guild member with WAY to much time spent in the forums.

And like I said, if your application just came across wrong, I apoligize, but lemme know.

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What do you think about no flying for an entire expansion?

YES) It makes me feel more immersed in the game lore.

15%

YES) It encourages more PvP! (Please explain how in comments)

YES) I miss riding my ground mounts.

MAYBE) If you make all of my flying mounts able to be ground too.

MAYBE) if ground mounts are sped up to 200% speed (or higher)

26%

NO) I don't have enough time when I'm on to be riding everywhere

NO) I have spent too much time getting various levels of flying to be wasting it.

11%

NO) It encourages more PVP! (please explain in the comments)

NO) I love flying.

19%

Total votes: 74