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Sartharion-10 man, 3-drake ... strategy/discussion thread

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Shihli — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 00:37

So I've been reading up on Sartharion-10 man, 3-drakes.

Seems that many successful groups run with 3 tanks, 3 healers, and 4 dps.  The idea is to get Tenebron to ~30-40% before Shadron lands, and ultimately kill Tenebron before he spawns two sets of whelps.  Once Tenebron goes down the dps moves to Shadron, burns him down ASAP.  Then they enter the portal, kill Shadron's disciple, then head up top and kill Vesperon.  Once Vesperon is down, they hit the portal and kill his disciple, then kill Sartharion like normal.

This sounds like a decent enough plan to me, however I want the rest of my Lava Crab crew (and ultimately, any other guildie that is interested in the future) to start compiling notes and thoughts here, to see if we can't streamline our strat so that next week, we can enter Sarth-10 3-D and down it, and be the second (I think) guild on the server to do so.

So here's what I was thinking.  Here's the typical "Lava Crab" raid setup:

Tanks:
 - Nuitarin
 - Necroshiliac
 - Hbk (for this fight)

Healers:
 - Karvinen
 - Moriella
 - Zildo

DPS:
 - Disrupta
 - Saedo
 - Luminaire
 - Quisjaa

My thinking was this:  Karvinen on MT heals, with a Beacon on the drake tank (Necroshiliac).  I should generally stay within 40yds-ish of Nuitarin, who will be Sarth tanking.  Zildo will be raid/flame-tank (Hbk) healing.  Moriella will generally stay on Nuitarin, with support heals on everyone else.

The other option would be to have Mori be CoH specced for this fight and have him raid heal, and have Zildo be another MT healer.

As far as killing the adds is concerned, we wouldn't "focus" on it much - when adds start getting a bit out of control, Hbk would call for an adds round, and myself and Quisjaa would move close enough to Pestilence, Blood Boil, and Death-and-Decay the adds.  That much AoE would generally be enough to kill them.

Anyone else have any ideas?

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starstalker's picture

Even thought I wont be going,

starstalker — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 07:15

Even thought I wont be going, I thought I'd offer my opinion on something.

If you're only bringing 4 dps, Having Zildo chain heal (instead of having Mori respec to CoH) should be enough. Chain heal hits 3 targets iirc, and mori can still use Prayer of healing or quick flash heals to help out if needed. The only real way the dps will be taking more damage than from random single player meteroites, is if people get caught in a void zone or flame wall, both of which can't really be healed through. With HBK tanking the adds, there should be no real reason why anyone other than lumi not be within close range of his consecrate.

One thing that might need to be considered is the range of beacon. With the MT on one extreme side, and the drake tank on the other extreme side (if the positioning is the same as 25man), will one of them be out of range?

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CH hits 4 glyphed. I have a

Desteran — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:57

CH hits 4 glyphed. I have a feeling we should not use the same positioning as 25. A condensed raid requires condensed positioning imo.

 

Shi and I took off in different directions more than once during flame waves putting him out of my range.

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Would Lumi respec'ing be

saedo — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 01:13

Would Lumi respec'ing be better?   This fight is pet unfriendly right?

Would Rupta be better off respec'ing into some Raid Buff talents?   At least the Imp Moonkin cause we're losing the 3% raid haste from ret aura.

Would I be better off as Mutilate spec'd?   

  • I would be better off with single target dps with the drakes and all.  
  • But weaker on any AoE, not that it was much anyways
  • I can bring a 3% crit raid debuff, since we lose Ret Judgements
  • But we do lose 2% physical damage debuff, still prob a net gain
  • Last point would be I'd prob have to play it a bit more to get used to it, I did do a raid with it before so not totally noob at it.
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Read me!

Shihli — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 00:37

Read me!

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disc bug

moriella — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 07:39

Rethink healing assignments.  There is a confirmed bug with disc priests healing bears.  Shields proc but they generally, 8-10 times have no effect.  Since I've lerned this a couple weeks ago, I've tried to move my assignement avay from 'the big bear' as disc healing w/o sheilds is only about 4% stronger than shadow priest healing.

This is reportedly 'fixed' on the test server.

Note: Holy Priest Guardian Spirit is also 'intermittant' on bears at this time as well.

 

Another note : While this is in fact a pet unfriendly fight, a survival hunter can bring a tenacity pet and reduce the damage to the main tank during the 'clench time' by 30% or so I believe.

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Do hunters have to be

saedo — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 11:23

Do hunters have to be Survival to get a Tenacity pet?    http://www.wowhead.com/?spell=53480

But I was just thinking not BM since pet unfriendly can't get Ferocious Inspiration up and it'd might be better to have Trueshot Aura around, or Replenishment.

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No, they do not have to be

starstalker — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 11:34

No, they do not have to be any spec to get a Tenacity pet; however, they *must* be BM and specced into exotic pets to get an exotic pet, but any hunter can tame and animal from any of the 3 classes.

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Then they have to be BM to

saedo — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 11:49

Then they have to be BM to use that Roar of Sacrifice?

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No. According to Petopia,

starstalker — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:07

No. According to Petopia, http://petopia.brashendeavors.net/html/skills/talents_tenacity.html , that particular talent is in the tenacity tree, but does not belong to any particular class of pet. So any spec hunter, who tames one of the tenacity pets, can have their pet use that skill, as long as they spec their pet into it.

 

/love that website

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Looking at the BM tree, it

saedo — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:19

Looking at the BM tree, it seems the only thing that would help pet survivability (in this fight) would be Endurance Training, and to a lesser extent, Imp Revive Pet, Imp Mend Pet, and Spirit Bond.   Correct?

So question still is, is staying BM worth it, drake raid dps wise and if use of tenacity pet wise?

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Would it be better to go Holy

starstalker — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 09:12

Would it be better to go Holy and provide stronger direct heals? I"m not sure if it would be efficient to have Zildo tank healing.

I am trying to work on my

HBK — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:21

I am trying to work on my prot gear as fast as possiable too help out. Saedo I can still bring the 3%crit to Judgements for prot if needed not a big deal at all. Yesterday was the first time I really tanked something since BC so I was alittle rusty and lost alot of macro's I had made. Anyways I hope too do better next time. Also with alittle more gear too help out shoulden't be as bad too heal me either. Anyways I am trying the best I can with the stuff I got. Just let me know what u need me too do and I will try the best I can do to do it.

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You'll be judging the drakes

saedo — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 12:26

You'll be judging the drakes while you tank adds?    Which is needed once every 20 sec was it?   Will that be doable?   I am thinking we need to max drake dps.

It shoulden't be a porb I was

HBK — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 13:08

It shoulden't be a porb I was doing it last night. Plus all I need to do it make a macro for it aswell , should make life alot easier too :)

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Well just thought it'd be

saedo — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 13:28

Well just thought it'd be more convenient since I may go Mutilate for the other points I made as well.   It is higher drake dps.   And I can easily keep up the debuff since I'm on target 100% of the time.        But if you really wanna do that dance and able to keep it up 100% yourself I can spec into a more greedy Mutilate spec.

I's up too the u and the raid

HBK — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 14:00

I's up too the u and the raid Saedo whatever is needed.

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Ya guess leave that part up

saedo — Fri, 01/16/2009 - 14:05

Ya guess leave that part up to Shihli to decide how to optimize the raid!

I like 1 and 4 reasoning

HBK — Sat, 01/17/2009 - 13:38

I like 1 and 4 reasoning being that a prot pally is the best way too go for whelps/adds. Here r my reason too all of this :)

2 Pallys, If I was too stay Ret we have Ret Aura running from my which is Awsome For Karvs Aoe Tanking and also 3% Haste increase aswell and the Damage increase off of it. Karv running Imp Devo Aura which is great for everyone all around especially all 3 tanks. Me having Wisom/jotw proc on the bosses mean healers won't OOM and any caster can pew pew all they want. Also I can off heal/tank if I am dpsing if needed for some reason. Lumi staying BM will bring alot more dps into the fight.

These r just my thoughts though

Has it been decided yet as

HBK — Sun, 01/18/2009 - 15:17

Has it been decided yet as too who is doing what yet? The reason I am asking this is we have 4 days left which I believe people might need too go do heroics/raids  maybe buy some badge loot whatever for there spec they r doing this as. Also get there flasks/food scolls ect aswell. So when Thurs comes we r ready too rock and roll.

I'm very uncomfortable with

Disrupter — Tue, 01/20/2009 - 04:59

I'm very uncomfortable with the idea of healing, I'm more than a little worried I'll let someone die because I can't react between watching the tsunami's/floor/making sure I'm rolling hots on two targets perfectly swiftminding/nourishing what was needed.

I'll give it a shot I'm just worried we'll get owned by my lack of healing properly. I'll need to know if this is going to be what happens, or not, because if it's not I won't spend the mass of gold on resto gear and resto/moonkin glyphs for switching back/forth. If it's last minute notice I won't be very optimized. A day's notice would be lovely, give me time to gather everything without being rushed ;p.

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