I'm not *proud* of it, but I am glad I can look back on it and laugh. It's all in good fun. Plus I'm an optimist, so I got that going for me. All things work together for good.
I wouldn't say he's "proud" of it, but a good sport joining in on his own ribbing. You can't bitch at him about the lol@dangly jokes if we keep tossing em at him...just not fair.
ulda 10 was fun. and I can't wait to increase my healing speed even more. Gosh. This game just gets better and better. With more and more advice. I swear. Downfall owns.
I did run into those mobs. I was like. Wow that last pull was scary. AAAAHHHH! but I didn't die. I kept everyone alive. oh and in Heroic HOS. The tank pulled 6 groups. I kept everyone up. Cleanseing and healing and bubbling. 1 person. and myself. then I had to LOH the hunter. and then boom Judge ment. everyone is getting healead for 384 a second. I felt like a shadow priest. on top of crit crit crit. IT was awesome! I love my new spec. Again ty downfall for improving myself. =)
By the last four heroics... I was keeping you guys alive through the most insane boss fights. For two new 80s that just dinged. so I didn't expect you to have epics. let alone 80 blues. It was a challenge. It was fun. I practiced all day yesterday. I did every single Heroic Instance Cept for HOL and OCU. Not to mention our tank was bad again. Because he didn't know the fights. But I still kept them up. and I still gave off the heals. It's Like click HEAL , click HEAL, CLICK HEAL!! yeah! FUCK! ... um. Ty for the comments my friends. I will see you on Wow. Starting now. LOL
LMAO!!!!!! This guy omg, ok Ryu and i decided to run heroics with Rhyan yesterday on our new level 80's. And we have this terribad tank right? I pst him and i'm like "you dont think these 50k wipes are your fault do you?" trying to be positive and stuffs you know and he replies "yeah kinda, Garreth told me to find a terribad tank and heal him through heroics" i laughed so hard i almost fell over.
so anyway, my next funny story is in Heroic Old Kingdom (ick i hates that place) and we're in vent and he's goofing around talking about how scary that last pull was and amidst the hilarious ranting "OMG THAT WAS THE SCARIEST PULL EVAR" he runs smack dab into the next mob group! LMAO LMAO or wait......didnt this happen again in HOS heroic? idk it was all hilarious.
seriously though, he's a good healer, granted there's always room for improvement but he's good, and with a sense of humour to boot.
lol wanted you to know this: Rhyan isn't funny...that's just his life. I end up laughing so much but Ryan is just that guy who is naturally like this. Its not an attempt to entertain, which I find funnier even.
Did H uk, AN, and OK. it was fun. Grid helped a lot with cleanse and healing and actually binding some keys. so it all went well. and ty for the gems and belt and making heal a 25man of a scary robot gnome boss. Oh QQQQQQQQQ why me. I am ready! Do your worst mim! I'm going to kick that bitch in the foot and run away and heal everyone. hahah.
Doing heroics all day. Who wants some runs on your alts. Idc if you think your gear is bad. Let's do this. I will carry you healing. MUST BE READY FOR RAID! aaaaahhhhhhhhh my face.
Intellect
Intellect has received a HUGE boost with WotLK mechanics, and is now the best stat for Holy Paladins by far. Let me list what 100 Intellect gives you:
126.5 Intellect, with BoK and Divine Intellect
1897 Mana at the start of the fight
39.5mp5 from Divine Plea, if its used on CD.
21.3mp5 from Replenishment, with 90% uptime.
4.7mp5 from Arcane Torrent, if you are a Blood Elf.
25.3 Spell Power
0.759% Spell Crit
This gives you a lot of mana, which lets you cast a lot more Holy Lights and be more liberal in using them. If you stack this stat you will be able to spam Holy Light during most fights.
In my analysis of your gear, the only crit-specific gem you will be replacing is the 8crit/3mp5 in your pants. About 46 crit rating = 1% crit. So your current gem is giving you only 0.17% crit rating. With some quick math, we know that roughly 22 int will give us 0.17% crit. So if you gain at least this much int, you won't lose crit.
About spell power: Not the stat we stack. If we replace a 19 spell power gem with, let's say, a 16 int gem, we're still left 4 spell power positive ON TOP OF all the benefits we get from int through mana pool, divine plea, replenishment, kings, etc.
2k spell power isn't a magical number. It's something you hit through gear, but you gem for longetivity. Look at a parse from your latest raid. How much overheal do you have? Right, a lot :) All us pallys do. It's how we play: we are the buffers that land heals that might not necessarily NEED to be landed, but which make all the difference when a solid one gets in. More spell power isn't going to make us MORE AWESOME, though it will allow our heals to hit harder! Instead we've got to be the ones that are up in the final, hectic moments of a boss fight at 75%+ mana pool UNLOADING Holy Lights into our assigned targets. Think about the "hump" in Sarth3D as the final dragons land and everyone is taking tremendous damage. Or, Hodir with the massive aoe and tank damage. Or Yogg, final phase, if an immortal gets to a tank with no damage on it yet. Even gemming/gearing for int my spell power is well over 2600 with raid buffs for the duration of a fight. I'm landing back-to-back-to-back 19k+ Holy Lights in the final phases of boss fights, even spec'd as a long-term healer.
That is by far the best thing I've ever read about a holy paladin. One last question. How much would a paladin have without raid buffs in my situation? So enchanting is all about intellect and spell power. and gems is just intellect depending on the piece of gear. Or is it a matter of what individual thinks. Is there a select choice of percentage that most pally healers chose intel gems over sp gems now? I never knew this. I feel so noob. LOL Thx for the help. Once again. I should start paying you people gold. =P
I was in a raid that just ended at 537am ohio eastern standard time. I just got the turning tide. enchanted with 63 spell power. My Sp unbuffed now is 2065. and I'm loving it. and I got a new new piece new ring and new chest piece. Tier! WOOT WOOT! all enchanted that can be. and socketed. now I shall feel free to pass out. Good night all. See you later this afternoon. hahahhaha.
I'm really encouraged by the time an effort you're putting into this. A few suggestions for you still, just from experience and too much time on the EJ Paladin Thread:
In your [Valorous Redemption Tunic] put a [Dazzling Forest Emerald] in the blue slot if you want to keep the socket bonus. Pure mp5 is crap for us. But a bit of int and some mp5 is great, especially if we get a bit of haste out of it (the socket bonus)
In your prismatic sockets (bracers, gloves, belt) put a [Brilliant Autumn's Glow]. Int is the single most important stat we can stack. We get mana pool, +heal, a bit of crit and mp5 (from Replenishment) from Int. I know you like your +heal, but the int is vastly more important to us as pallys.
These are suggestions that will get you to a long-term healing level that will allow you to pop Divine Plea on its cooldown to allow you to power heal more with big ol' Holy Lights. You may even want to go with [Glyph of Seal of Wisdom] so that, long term, you can keep up. Honestly, we heal HARD enough as pallys. What we need to make sure is that we're still going incredibly strong in the last 15% of the bosses health.
Man did I have fun tonight. It was a slow raid. but idc. I got my badges. and increased my spell power even higher! I really like grid. and the other raid addons. Just wanted to say I am very thankful from the advice and tips from all the downfall guild members I've met, run with and talked to so far. Who wants to do a five man sometime? Just for fun. ^_^
Wow so I just did a heroic HOL run. with three people from the guild, Ludicrious Speed. We do the first three bosses. 1 Pally tank. 2 warlocks and a mage. The cloth dps doesn't stay ranged. they stack on the tank. What the hell? Second the tank doesn't stay ranged from us so we got slammed and poison spiked by the mobs to the last boss. So then I get sleepd and get out of it three times. but he keeps pulling them mobs toward me. and Not holding aggro. and the dps pulls off aggro more then a dozen times. So right before last boss they say. I'm not a good healer. When I'm doing everything I'm supposed to. The tank was wearing greens. GREENS! Basically I'm venting. and I just want to run with some Downfall peeps and learn some new tactics and ideas of how to do better. But man. I want some opinions of how I was "wrong" in this situation? Honestly if any. good lord.
Pugging is bad for your health, and it's mostly a tank's fault especially with this bad of a fail group for many reasons:
If the tank is in greens, then I'll assume the worse case: the tank is critable. He has no business being in H HoL and should be tanking late level 77-80 instances.
Since the tank is in greens and the dps is pulling aggro, I'll assume another thing : the tank can't generate enough aggro and dps doesn't have omen or using the in-game threatmeter.
Another thing if the tank is in greens: he probably doesn't have any items enchanted or gemmed properly.
One final thing: if you were getting sleeped, the pally should have cleansed the sleep off you, no if, and, or buts about it.
Don't worry that you got yelled at being a terrible healer. Put it this way: you didn't have to suffer wiping over and over and over and over on Loken, and spend 80g on a full repair bill.
Good healers and tanks are hard to find. DPS can be pugged anyway you want. I've seen my full share of bad healers and bad tanks. If the tank you see via armory doesn't look right or not enchanted/gemmed, don't go to that group.
No Ghil! I was the healer. and I kept everyone alive. until the 4th last pull to Loken. The tank kept bringing the mobs in range of the dps and myself. gosh it was just so annoying. so then I get kicked. Because everyone dies. Because they don't know what there doing. I laughed hard. and at the sametime. Pissed I didn't get to do the Loken fight. That fight is fun.
?
Lunchbox — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 11:59?
He got passed over on an
Shihli — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:08He got passed over on an invite to a 10man raid, so to "show us who's boss" (I guess?) he deleted all of his toons.
What a champ!
I was certainly showed who's
garreth — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:33I was certainly showed who's boss.
I'm a bit angry that this cat
Dangly — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:47I'm a bit angry that this cat is trying to steal my thunder. It's like the serial killer who has a disappointing copycat. You suck Rhyan.
You *really* shouldn't be
Shihli — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 13:13You *really* shouldn't be proud of having been viewed as a whiny, pathetic douchebag.
I'm not *proud* of it, but I
Dangly — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 13:23I'm not *proud* of it, but I am glad I can look back on it and laugh. It's all in good fun. Plus I'm an optimist, so I got that going for me. All things work together for good.
I wouldn't say he's "proud"
Aidin — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 13:20I wouldn't say he's "proud" of it, but a good sport joining in on his own ribbing. You can't bitch at him about the lol@dangly jokes if we keep tossing em at him...just not fair.
lol@dangly...no one can steal
Aidin — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 12:52lol@dangly ...no one can steal your thunder!!! But he sure did try!
This dolt claims to be 22?
Shihli — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 11:36This dolt claims to be 22? Seems he lied about his age, doubled the real number.
Almost lasted a month. Added
garreth — Mon, 06/22/2009 - 11:29Almost lasted a month. Added another one to the Epic Pally Fail List.
Ginvited. Your recent
garreth — Tue, 05/26/2009 - 10:32Ginvited. Your recent upgrades and performance improvements are awesome. Glad to have you on board!
wow.
Rhyan (not verified) — Sat, 05/23/2009 - 01:24ulda 10 was fun. and I can't wait to increase my healing speed even more. Gosh. This game just gets better and better. With more and more advice. I swear. Downfall owns.
P.S.
Rhyan (not verified) — Fri, 05/22/2009 - 11:17I did run into those mobs. I was like. Wow that last pull was scary. AAAAHHHH! but I didn't die. I kept everyone alive. oh and in Heroic HOS. The tank pulled 6 groups. I kept everyone up. Cleanseing and healing and bubbling. 1 person. and myself. then I had to LOH the hunter. and then boom Judge ment. everyone is getting healead for 384 a second. I felt like a shadow priest. on top of crit crit crit. IT was awesome! I love my new spec. Again ty downfall for improving myself. =)
Hey now.
Rhyan (not verified) — Fri, 05/22/2009 - 11:14By the last four heroics... I was keeping you guys alive through the most insane boss fights. For two new 80s that just dinged. so I didn't expect you to have epics. let alone 80 blues. It was a challenge. It was fun. I practiced all day yesterday. I did every single Heroic Instance Cept for HOL and OCU. Not to mention our tank was bad again. Because he didn't know the fights. But I still kept them up. and I still gave off the heals. It's Like click HEAL , click HEAL, CLICK HEAL!! yeah! FUCK! ... um. Ty for the comments my friends. I will see you on Wow. Starting now. LOL
LMAO!!!!!! This guy omg, ok
Kerilyn — Fri, 05/22/2009 - 09:39LMAO!!!!!! This guy omg, ok Ryu and i decided to run heroics with Rhyan yesterday on our new level 80's. And we have this terribad tank right? I pst him and i'm like "you dont think these 50k wipes are your fault do you?" trying to be positive and stuffs you know and he replies "yeah kinda, Garreth told me to find a terribad tank and heal him through heroics" i laughed so hard i almost fell over.
so anyway, my next funny story is in Heroic Old Kingdom (ick i hates that place) and we're in vent and he's goofing around talking about how scary that last pull was and amidst the hilarious ranting "OMG THAT WAS THE SCARIEST PULL EVAR" he runs smack dab into the next mob group! LMAO LMAO or wait......didnt this happen again in HOS heroic? idk it was all hilarious.
seriously though, he's a good healer, granted there's always room for improvement but he's good, and with a sense of humour to boot.
lol wanted you to know this:
jaibyrd — Fri, 05/22/2009 - 10:28lol wanted you to know this: Rhyan isn't funny...that's just his life. I end up laughing so much but Ryan is just that guy who is naturally like this. Its not an attempt to entertain, which I find funnier even.
AWESOME. That is the most
Fjork — Fri, 05/22/2009 - 11:09AWESOME.
That is the most polite way I have EVER seen someone say "I'm not laughing WITH you, I'm laughing AT you."
Well he laughs at me too, so
jaibyrd — Fri, 05/22/2009 - 12:13Well he laughs at me too, so I think it's only fair frankly :-)
Zomg.
Rhyan (not verified) — Thu, 05/21/2009 - 14:46Did H uk, AN, and OK. it was fun. Grid helped a lot with cleanse and healing and actually binding some keys. so it all went well. and ty for the gems and belt and making heal a 25man of a scary robot gnome boss. Oh QQQQQQQQQ why me. I am ready! Do your worst mim! I'm going to kick that bitch in the foot and run away and heal everyone. hahah.
ROAR
Rhyan (not verified) — Thu, 05/21/2009 - 10:09Doing heroics all day. Who wants some runs on your alts. Idc if you think your gear is bad. Let's do this. I will carry you healing. MUST BE READY FOR RAID! aaaaahhhhhhhhh my face.
Damn! You make some major good points.
Rhyan (not verified) — Wed, 05/20/2009 - 10:49and yet I'll lost some crit and sp. for raids. Explain more of your imfamous logic Mr Garr! ^_^
From EJ: Intellect Intellect
garreth — Wed, 05/20/2009 - 11:46From EJ:
Intellect
Intellect has received a HUGE boost with WotLK mechanics, and is now the best stat for Holy Paladins by far. Let me list what 100 Intellect gives you:
This gives you a lot of mana, which lets you cast a lot more Holy Lights and be more liberal in using them. If you stack this stat you will be able to spam Holy Light during most fights.
In my analysis of your gear, the only crit-specific gem you will be replacing is the 8crit/3mp5 in your pants. About 46 crit rating = 1% crit. So your current gem is giving you only 0.17% crit rating. With some quick math, we know that roughly 22 int will give us 0.17% crit. So if you gain at least this much int, you won't lose crit.
About spell power: Not the stat we stack. If we replace a 19 spell power gem with, let's say, a 16 int gem, we're still left 4 spell power positive ON TOP OF all the benefits we get from int through mana pool, divine plea, replenishment, kings, etc.
2k spell power isn't a magical number. It's something you hit through gear, but you gem for longetivity. Look at a parse from your latest raid. How much overheal do you have? Right, a lot :) All us pallys do. It's how we play: we are the buffers that land heals that might not necessarily NEED to be landed, but which make all the difference when a solid one gets in. More spell power isn't going to make us MORE AWESOME, though it will allow our heals to hit harder! Instead we've got to be the ones that are up in the final, hectic moments of a boss fight at 75%+ mana pool UNLOADING Holy Lights into our assigned targets. Think about the "hump" in Sarth3D as the final dragons land and everyone is taking tremendous damage. Or, Hodir with the massive aoe and tank damage. Or Yogg, final phase, if an immortal gets to a tank with no damage on it yet. Even gemming/gearing for int my spell power is well over 2600 with raid buffs for the duration of a fight. I'm landing back-to-back-to-back 19k+ Holy Lights in the final phases of boss fights, even spec'd as a long-term healer.
My mind is blown.
Rhyan (not verified) — Wed, 05/20/2009 - 17:34That is by far the best thing I've ever read about a holy paladin. One last question. How much would a paladin have without raid buffs in my situation? So enchanting is all about intellect and spell power. and gems is just intellect depending on the piece of gear. Or is it a matter of what individual thinks. Is there a select choice of percentage that most pally healers chose intel gems over sp gems now? I never knew this. I feel so noob. LOL Thx for the help. Once again. I should start paying you people gold. =P
YAY!
Rhyan (not verified) — Wed, 05/20/2009 - 02:39I was in a raid that just ended at 537am ohio eastern standard time. I just got the turning tide. enchanted with 63 spell power. My Sp unbuffed now is 2065. and I'm loving it. and I got a new new piece new ring and new chest piece. Tier! WOOT WOOT! all enchanted that can be. and socketed. now I shall feel free to pass out. Good night all. See you later this afternoon. hahahhaha.
I'm really encouraged by the
garreth — Wed, 05/20/2009 - 10:12I'm really encouraged by the time an effort you're putting into this. A few suggestions for you still, just from experience and too much time on the EJ Paladin Thread:
These are suggestions that will get you to a long-term healing level that will allow you to pop Divine Plea on its cooldown to allow you to power heal more with big ol' Holy Lights. You may even want to go with [Glyph of Seal of Wisdom] so that, long term, you can keep up. Honestly, we heal HARD enough as pallys. What we need to make sure is that we're still going incredibly strong in the last 15% of the bosses health.
Hope to see you
garreth — Wed, 05/20/2009 - 00:07Hope to see you here: /node/6321
Nax 25.
Rhyan (not verified) — Wed, 05/20/2009 - 00:05Man did I have fun tonight. It was a slow raid. but idc. I got my badges. and increased my spell power even higher! I really like grid. and the other raid addons. Just wanted to say I am very thankful from the advice and tips from all the downfall guild members I've met, run with and talked to so far. Who wants to do a five man sometime? Just for fun. ^_^
Wow so I just did a heroic
Rhyan (not verified) — Tue, 05/19/2009 - 00:27Wow so I just did a heroic HOL run. with three people from the guild, Ludicrious Speed. We do the first three bosses. 1 Pally tank. 2 warlocks and a mage. The cloth dps doesn't stay ranged. they stack on the tank. What the hell? Second the tank doesn't stay ranged from us so we got slammed and poison spiked by the mobs to the last boss. So then I get sleepd and get out of it three times. but he keeps pulling them mobs toward me. and Not holding aggro. and the dps pulls off aggro more then a dozen times. So right before last boss they say. I'm not a good healer. When I'm doing everything I'm supposed to. The tank was wearing greens. GREENS! Basically I'm venting. and I just want to run with some Downfall peeps and learn some new tactics and ideas of how to do better. But man. I want some opinions of how I was "wrong" in this situation? Honestly if any. good lord.
Pugging is bad for your
Ghli — Tue, 05/19/2009 - 06:59Pugging is bad for your health, and it's mostly a tank's fault especially with this bad of a fail group for many reasons:
If the tank is in greens, then I'll assume the worse case: the tank is critable. He has no business being in H HoL and should be tanking late level 77-80 instances.
Since the tank is in greens and the dps is pulling aggro, I'll assume another thing : the tank can't generate enough aggro and dps doesn't have omen or using the in-game threatmeter.
Another thing if the tank is in greens: he probably doesn't have any items enchanted or gemmed properly.
One final thing: if you were getting sleeped, the pally should have cleansed the sleep off you, no if, and, or buts about it.
Don't worry that you got yelled at being a terrible healer. Put it this way: you didn't have to suffer wiping over and over and over and over on Loken, and spend 80g on a full repair bill.
Good healers and tanks are hard to find. DPS can be pugged anyway you want. I've seen my full share of bad healers and bad tanks. If the tank you see via armory doesn't look right or not enchanted/gemmed, don't go to that group.
No Ghil! I was the healer.
Rhyan (not verified) — Tue, 05/19/2009 - 10:56No Ghil! I was the healer. and I kept everyone alive. until the 4th last pull to Loken. The tank kept bringing the mobs in range of the dps and myself. gosh it was just so annoying. so then I get kicked. Because everyone dies. Because they don't know what there doing. I laughed hard. and at the sametime. Pissed I didn't get to do the Loken fight. That fight is fun.