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Things I have learned over the past few days.

Anonymous — Mon, 06/15/2009 - 19:09

Edit by Garreth: Let's give this another shot, Rhyan. Except this time only use http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t55577-holy_paladin_guide_3_1_a/ for your information.  I'm interested in hearing how much you learn there.

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Wow. Thank you everyone.

Rhyan (not verified) — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 16:48

Thank you for the words of wisdom. I'm new to research forums. Obviously. lol. I will check out the new recommended sites. But like you said Garreth. Item lvl. with Certain stats. If Blizzard made gear with mp5 and the majority of people think it's worthless because of our talents and spells. then why make mp5 gear at all? I really would like to know that. Because it makes me feel like. When I get better at my healing. What's the point in rolling on Ulduar 25 Tier gear if its crap? 

Don't forget, we are going to

Ghli — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 17:55

Don't forget, we are going to get some changes when 3.2 comes live. The problem is, we don't know what the changes are yet. Supposdly MP5 will become a better stat for us, but look again what Blizzard has said about making spirit good for all healers in the inital phase of WotLK. Nothing has changed, and plate gear still doesn't have spirit on it.

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Roll on Ulduar gear if its

garreth — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 16:56

Roll on Ulduar gear if its better than what you have. If you gain 50 int but lose 0.05% crit, obviously make the upgrade. The only two pieces of ulduar gear I am going for are the shoulders and the helm.

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MP5 is garbage. You get more

Prime8 — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 07:36

MP5 is garbage. You get more mana back from int with BoK if you can assume an 80% uptime on replenishment. That's not a bad assumption considering hunters, ret pallies, and destro locks all provide it (and frost mages, but who raids as frost?). Most holy pallies are actually upset when they see mp5 on gear.

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Replenishment is awesome for

garreth — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 09:25

Replenishment is awesome for us with all our Int, but Divine Plea even more so. 

My rules on MP5 gear: Every item has a "budget" of item points.  When Blizzard makes an item, they look at the iLevel of the item and then portion out different stats based on that limited amount of points.  If MP5 takes up a bunch of those item points, there are less points to put into things we, as pallies, want like Int, SP, Crit and Haste.

So, generally, if you see MP5 on gear, it has stats being wasted.

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Not to jump on the

Agoney — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 06:54

Not to jump on the bandwagon.. but this should of screamed at you before you posted.

http://theholylight.wordpress.com/2007/07/10/paladin-healing/

What stands out in the above URL.. Should ring some bells, imo.

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Never, EVER trust MOST bloggers

moriella — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 05:26

Bear in mind, with free hosting , ANYONE can become a blogger these days.  The words you read may be written by a 12 y/o.  They may also be written by someone who THINKS they know their class - but really dont.  Always check dates when looking at a blog (as others have pointed out)

Elitist jerks is the ONLY trustable source of class information, due to the peer review that everything is subjected to.

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http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t

garreth — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 00:33

http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t55577-holy_paladin_guide_3_1_a/ is the only thing you need until 3.2 comes out.  Every trick and technique is covered there in great detail, including the proper descriptions of Sacred Shield and Beacon of Light. EJ is your bible. You think WE'RE hard on proper theorycraft, THEY ban people for mispelling :)

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Your bible....

Aidin — Mon, 06/15/2009 - 22:49

Your bible.... http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t55577-holy_paladin_guide_3_1_a/

#1. Now, I'm not sure if you

Ghli — Tue, 06/16/2009 - 07:35

#1. Now, I'm not sure if you realized this or not, but the old mechanics of downranking spells has been tossed out. You need to double check your mana costs of downranking. A Rank 7-9 of FoL cost 307 mana while a rank 1-6 all cost 351 mana. A Rank 11-13 of HL cost 1161, while ranks 1-10 cost 1380. You don't "save" any mana by downranking 2 ranks of your spells while taking a larger pentaly by downranking. And downranking isn't just regulated to just healing spells: every spell in the game has a mana pentaly for using a downranked version of it instead of you using the max rank of the spell

#2. I think you are confusing the mechanics of Beacon of Light and the glyph of Holy light, and quite possibly not understanding the usage of Beacon of light. Lets start off with the glyph of holy light: Your holy light grants 10% of what you heal to 5 friendly targets that are within 8 yards of the inital target. Now to the mechanics of Beacon of light: "The target becomes a Beacon of Light to all targets within a 40 yard radius.  Any heals you cast on those targets will also heal the Beacon for 100% of the amount healed." That means if you beacon the tank and heal yourself while you have full health, your beacon (your tank) gets zero heals. In your example of a lock that has spammed life tap, you are better off beaconing your tank, and healing the lock, not the other way around. Look it this way for example: a tank takes about 3-4k damage roughly every 2 seconds in a heroic, and a warlock lifetaps from 23k HP to about 8k (a differnce of 15k hp loss). Now, if you beacon the tank and happen to crit a holy light for 15k: congratulations, you have healed 2 people to full HP in 1.5 seconds. However... if you did the other way around by beaconing the warlock, well.... you're going to take atleast a good 8 seconds untill you heal both of them, as overhealing doesn't get sent to your beacon's target.

P.S. The blog that you posted as the first link has outdated information from 2007. This goes back to #1 and what has happened to downranking. http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=8974837994&pageNo=... should explain where and went downranking went the way of the dodo.

edit: http://theholylight.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/down-goes-downranking/ Same author, dated 2008 during the Wotlk Beta. You should have seen this if you bothered to read the whole blog.

LOL

Rhyan (not verified) — Mon, 06/15/2009 - 21:52

Screw you! Weak. lol

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Dragon — Mon, 06/15/2009 - 21:30

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I feel like Picard right now.

Vulk — Mon, 06/15/2009 - 22:44

I feel like Picard right now.

Check out the EJ Pally forums: http://elitistjerks.com/f76/

It's obvious some of your information is severely outdated.   Never downrank. Blizz nerfed that months ago so that downranked spells cosr MORE mana than your max rank spell.  There is also alot more information in the EJ forums.

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