There are a few things I'd like to discuss about our 10 man raid but I'm not sure how to get my opinion out without being an asshole or being smited by the almighty smiter that is anyone in our raid that completely disagrees.

Why are we raiding? Why do we raid? What is it we raid for? Do we do it for fun? For loot? For epeen status? What do you raid for?

I personaly have my reasons for raiding. My reasons for raiding are quite simple. I enjoy raiding, seeing my character and my raid progress. Doing new content we've never done before is generally my favorite part of this game, learning something together with my raid and finally getting the boss down.

I also enjoy reaping the benefits of our work, after finally beating a boss that took us a month or two of attempts to learn we can usually immediately begin farming said boss. Once we've done it once, we can generally repeat it with the same people and have a success at it.

(This is where I get to sound like an asshole and everyone hates me, so read on if you want :p)

Once we kill Yogg hardmode, that removes the "not done before" aspect of raiding, other then 1 hour, a very small amount of time, on Algalon. I do want to see him dead, but when we have so many upgrades from the same god damn instance, why aren't we going to do the hardmodes? Why is it when we are limited to one hour of attempts that we do not want to be at the best level we can when we do said attempts? If we wipe at one fucking percent how many of you will put 2+2 together that if we had put in that effort prior, we could of possibly gotten the kill that much sooner? Nothing will make me more upset if we flake and only do algalon, and we have a 1% wipe and we hadn't made the effort to better our selves.

On that same gear note, runed orbs and boes. Why do we keep our boes instead of depositing them in the bank yet we don't keep our runed orbs? Our runed orbs are boes that we have to piece together, and we have people IN OUR RAID that could use the runed orbs WE farmed. I know Garreth said for us to keep it but Garreth is not our raid leader or master looter so I'm going to voice my opinion clearly instead of being told my logic is fucking flawed in a whisper. We earned it, we keep it, we gear our raid. When we are done gearing up our raid I don't see why not share, I'm all for helping our 25 man progress (or as of now, catch the fuck up).

Basically I want to know what our plans are after we get Yogg 1 keeper over the next week or so. I'm not really all that into the idea of showing up for an hour or two at our normal show up time to do attempts on a boss if we're not going to put our full effort into doing the job right. Which includes:
 

My Basic Points:

1) Gearing our raid with the necessary runed orb items we need, we earned it, why not. If you want to call that logic flawed so be it, then my logic is flawed in your eyes, but my logic is very sound in my mind.

2) Gearing our raid with the necessary upgrades off hardmodes. If no one needs something off the boss then we should still do it hardmode, badges mean more gear for more options later. I want all of our classes that can do more then one roll to be geared and capable of doing their multiple jobs, or atleast two of the three if their class has more then two. Zildo (if he raided with us) should do good elemental dps AND healing. Moriella, you should be able to shadow it up at the bottom of the meters with Knoppix (lol I kid ilu knoppix <3), and our tanks should beable to do dps when we only need 1 tank , since we have THREE capable tanks, they should all have a dps set, not many fights we need all three.

3) Consider our future progression and raid make up. We , atleast I don't , know exactly what fights will need how many healers, tanks, or dps. We don't know if some fights a specific tank or healer will shine over others while specific dps classes will shine. Why not be prepared for the next content patch. We certainly farmed sunwell as much as we could knowing that all the gear we got was going to be replaced with blues and greens sometime near 76.

That's basically it, perhaps we can discuss this better over ventrilo while we faceroll through all the bosses we are doing on easy mode. Find out who wants what, of 9 out of 10 of our raiders don't want to continue doing the hardmodes we successfully did then that's fine atleast 90% of the people get what the fuck they want. But honestly, we farmed the fuck out of karazahn, farmed the fuck out of zul'aman, we continued to raid the hell out of tk/ssc even when we had Bt/Tk on farm. Why the hell would we skip out on content that is still fresh and new to us?

Can prob do 3 towers at least easily.

Throw in IC hard mode cause Pudo's only there Thurs?