I will let this thread hang out as it stood before it was permanently closed. However, I would like to add some commentary.
To start:
1) If you have deep-seated bad blood with current guildies, don't spill it all over the application. Take the time to attempt to rationalize and explain your point-of-view.
2) If you're trying to join a progression-oriented raid and the guild it's in, don't insult the guild. This is really really dumb.
3) If you want to raid, stick with a guild - any guild - for more than 2 months at a time. Check his history:
^ As you can see from above, he changed guilds NINE TIMES over the course of one year. That's one guild about every 6 weeks. If you expect to get any raiding done, you need to actually, y'know, stick around.
That, or have a tolerable personality, which Phyltran does not appear to have.
4) Before you talk mad shit about a raid/guild's raiding prowess, make sure your achievement history can back up your shit! Phylran has killed all of 4 bosses in heroic Ulduar - Flame Leviathan, Iron Council, Thorim, and Yogg-Saron. So apparently he was baby-sat through Yogg. Also make sure you've even so much as cleared it on 10man.
ALSO, make sure you've even done anything noteworthy before Ulduar. Seriously.
5) Don't make enemies with people that are smarter than you.
Seeing as attitude goes a long way for a community this app goes in compost bin imo. The addition and asset to the guild community has yet to be seen considering we also have a decent of non raiding members and it's not always just about the raid(s). We have become one of the top guilds on the servers because people have put a lot of time and research into what they are doing and the tools they use to get the job done. Arguing on a guild app is like telling your potential boss at a job interview you can do their job better and then aruging the whys with them. It doesn't fly there and it sure as hell doesn't fly here.
I don't like your overall attitude. I don't like the bad reference that Knoppix has given you and the frustrations he expressed to me BEFORE he was even in guild about you. I don't like you fighting Grid. I don't like that you only seem to want to join for the raiding benefits and not the community.
Let me see, the reason I kicked you from Covenant was that because you said you did not need any more loot from Naxx and instead told me to find a healer to replace you while you then chose to run with another guild on your mage to gear it up. You thought this was no big deal and didnt see the issue with it. I see a huge fucking issue with it, it's called healers are hard as fuck to find and I didnt want to find a replacement. Being a true raider means coming to raid whether you need gear or not and being there to to support the guild and have fun. Half of the time alot of the stuff you said was very questionable and made me wonder how dedicated you really were to raiding as a whole. Wanting top end gear and being a raider are two different things, don't expect to come here get gear and think you can stop raiding once you are geared up that kind of bullshit doesnt fly here and neither do people with bad attitudes. People with bad attitudes can destroy small guilds and you have a score of 1 on doing that so far to Covenant.
I will ask you wtf makes me think you will not do that again? I highly doubt that your attitude has improved what so ever and if it has I franky don't give a shit. Once a bad egg always a bad egg, people and their actions rarely change over time.
I am not going to go into this and nerdrage anymore but I dsiapprove this application. This is not a biased opinion and some of the ex-Covenant people that are now in Downfall feel the same way. Application terminated in my honest opinion.
P.S. don't tell people HealBot is better it is shit GRID rules!
I dont rly needed more Naxx gear and was bored of Naxx and wanted to take a break and you kicked me for that. First, i told you and Morg to get a replacement for a while but you didn't wanted and you were butthurt you were losing your best healer for a while. Thats not my problem. Plus, how did you wanted me to bring my mage to the raids when at this point, we had only 1 raid going and 2 tanks, 3 healers and 5 dps. You would have kicked another dps to make place for my mage? Yea, bullshit. "and i didn't want ro find a replacement" (butthurt there). As i said, i was bored of Naxx and that was the main reason i wanted to take a brake, if you cant respect that, its not my fucking problem dude. Btw, i was supporting the guild enough with my heals, thx a lot. Bad attitudes? ok, i would like to mention most of the bad chat "attitude" was made by you and Morg when we were constantly wiping on 3D 10 man so, "ppl are fucking retard failing to red shit and firewall, etc" Yea, qq more Knop. Plus you were raid leader so you should have lead by example imo, not dishing on ppl failing. Lol, i destroyed "Covenant" that had like 20 lvl 80s cause i got kicked, wait, you kicked me, does that mean you destroyed the guild? Was i that good that no one could replace me? A bad egg, wow, my feelings are hurt, i think im gonna cry now.
Btw, im not the one that left Covenant hanging to join Downfall, nice move uber guild master. Yea, watch out, nerdrage arent good for your heart. And of course Forshurley and that druid guy i dont remember wont speak being too afraid to be kicked. Btw, did you said to that druid you were talking shit in his back on how he was a bad tank? Prolly not. :)
PS: youre a SP and you hate to heal so your opinion on Grid or Healbot couldn't be more useless
Good luck Knoppix :) Btw, wheres your Heroic: The Descent into Madness guys, lololol. Grid is so good!!!
Im glad others have an idea of what phyl is about i was leery of posting on this app seeing as im new myself but in the few and short times i encountered phyl i would have to completely agree knoppix hit the nail on the head!
If you're so worried about loosing your ability to click on a name to heal or cleanse while using grid, get clique. Take 10 minutes out of your time and learn how clique and grid can make your life much easier. You wlil instead of having a 1x25 name interface, you will have a 5x5 interface. What happens if person #25 at the bottom of the list needs a heal, and the previous person at #2 was the last person you needed a heal? Chances are he's going to die in the time you moved your mounse from position 2 to 25, where in grid i can, at most, move 5 positions from the previous person that needs to be healed. Same thing applys if you need to cleanse, HoF, HoP, HoSalvation, or HoSacrafice someone.
Having used healbot and grid around the same time to see what everyone was talking about. Grid will always win in this competition because it is much easier to manage and it keeps your raid frames better kept. I play with my screen downsized for performance issues and i need the rest of that room on my screen for actual video maxed out. Grid allows you to just do so much more its just pure win.
"it keeps your raid frames better kept" ugh? I dont play downsized and have no problem with performance so i have plenty of room on my screen for my healbot, you can change healbot to be different kind of raid frames too. idk, if i do equal or better than some ppl that use grid, whats wrong?
So if i would do better than some of your healers with healbot, i wouldn't get in just cause i dont use Grid? That would sound illogical for a progression guild mindset though.
1) Our guild uses Grid, not Healbot. Therefore, although you could see what other healers are doing if they had Healbot, *we* aren't going to be using it. Adapt or die.
2) We aren't just a "progression guild". We're a community, a group of friends first and before anything else. You obviously don't seem to care.
I give this guy a big fat no. Even if we do need more healers, we don't need ones with egos and a bad rep.
Doesnt matter what healbot will do, WE use GRID - if you dont, you are not in DF.
We have a collection of the best healers on server bar none. Healers who have healed on the same character for years and never played DPS or tank. Having done it that long, we are pretty damn good at it and know what we are talking about
Long story short, yes. Grid is superior to Healbot in every way, and if you are unwilling to use a *better* mod to be a *better* healer, you're holding yourself, and by extension your raid, back.
How to not get a guild invite
Shihli — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:42I will let this thread hang out as it stood before it was permanently closed. However, I would like to add some commentary.
To start:
1) If you have deep-seated bad blood with current guildies, don't spill it all over the application. Take the time to attempt to rationalize and explain your point-of-view.
2) If you're trying to join a progression-oriented raid and the guild it's in, don't insult the guild. This is really really dumb.
3) If you want to raid, stick with a guild - any guild - for more than 2 months at a time. Check his history:
80
Unguilded
May 09, 09
80
Nerf Jesu
May 04, 09
80
Best in Slot
Apr 03, 09
80
Controlled Chaos
Feb 22, 09
80
Unguilded
Feb 16, 09
80
Advanced Play Tactics
Feb 11, 09
80
Covenant
Nov 24, 08
80
Unguilded
Nov 18, 08
78
Tempest
Nov 17, 08
76
Tempest
Nov 16, 08
75
Tempest
Nov 15, 08
71
Tempest
Nov 13, 08
70
Tempest
Oct 26, 08
70
Guardians of Light
Jul 11, 08
70
Iniquitous
Jul 03, 08
70
Unguilded
Jun 29, 08
70
The Shadowhand
May 30, 08
70
Unguilded
May 30, 08
70
The Shadowhand
May 20, 08
^ As you can see from above, he changed guilds NINE TIMES over the course of one year. That's one guild about every 6 weeks. If you expect to get any raiding done, you need to actually, y'know, stick around.
That, or have a tolerable personality, which Phyltran does not appear to have.
4) Before you talk mad shit about a raid/guild's raiding prowess, make sure your achievement history can back up your shit! Phylran has killed all of 4 bosses in heroic Ulduar - Flame Leviathan, Iron Council, Thorim, and Yogg-Saron. So apparently he was baby-sat through Yogg. Also make sure you've even so much as cleared it on 10man.
ALSO, make sure you've even done anything noteworthy before Ulduar. Seriously.
5) Don't make enemies with people that are smarter than you.
Seeing as attitude goes a
Allikat — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:26Seeing as attitude goes a long way for a community this app goes in compost bin imo. The addition and asset to the guild community has yet to be seen considering we also have a decent of non raiding members and it's not always just about the raid(s). We have become one of the top guilds on the servers because people have put a lot of time and research into what they are doing and the tools they use to get the job done. Arguing on a guild app is like telling your potential boss at a job interview you can do their job better and then aruging the whys with them. It doesn't fly there and it sure as hell doesn't fly here.
What a dbag. Thumbs down on
pulga — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:19What a dbag. Thumbs down on this one. Really far down.
Grid is just a small portion,
primistic — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:57Grid is just a small portion, but to be able to join our guild, ATTITUDE is the way to go..
You haven't even join our guild and you already comment our healers ARE bad.. Who the hell do you think you are to comment on our healers?
No
Katibug — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:39I don't like your overall attitude. I don't like the bad reference that Knoppix has given you and the frustrations he expressed to me BEFORE he was even in guild about you. I don't like you fighting Grid. I don't like that you only seem to want to join for the raiding benefits and not the community.
My vote is no.
Let me see, the reason
Knoppix (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:26Let me see, the reason I kicked you from Covenant was that because you said you did not need any more loot from Naxx and instead told me to find a healer to replace you while you then chose to run with another guild on your mage to gear it up. You thought this was no big deal and didnt see the issue with it. I see a huge fucking issue with it, it's called healers are hard as fuck to find and I didnt want to find a replacement. Being a true raider means coming to raid whether you need gear or not and being there to to support the guild and have fun. Half of the time alot of the stuff you said was very questionable and made me wonder how dedicated you really were to raiding as a whole. Wanting top end gear and being a raider are two different things, don't expect to come here get gear and think you can stop raiding once you are geared up that kind of bullshit doesnt fly here and neither do people with bad attitudes. People with bad attitudes can destroy small guilds and you have a score of 1 on doing that so far to Covenant.
I will ask you wtf makes me think you will not do that again? I highly doubt that your attitude has improved what so ever and if it has I franky don't give a shit. Once a bad egg always a bad egg, people and their actions rarely change over time.
I am not going to go into this and nerdrage anymore but I dsiapprove this application. This is not a biased opinion and some of the ex-Covenant people that are now in Downfall feel the same way. Application terminated in my honest opinion.
P.S. don't tell people HealBot is better it is shit GRID rules!
Good luck finding a guild.
Wanna get this public, lets go
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:13I dont rly needed more Naxx gear and was bored of Naxx and wanted to take a break and you kicked me for that. First, i told you and Morg to get a replacement for a while but you didn't wanted and you were butthurt you were losing your best healer for a while. Thats not my problem. Plus, how did you wanted me to bring my mage to the raids when at this point, we had only 1 raid going and 2 tanks, 3 healers and 5 dps. You would have kicked another dps to make place for my mage? Yea, bullshit. "and i didn't want ro find a replacement" (butthurt there). As i said, i was bored of Naxx and that was the main reason i wanted to take a brake, if you cant respect that, its not my fucking problem dude. Btw, i was supporting the guild enough with my heals, thx a lot. Bad attitudes? ok, i would like to mention most of the bad chat "attitude" was made by you and Morg when we were constantly wiping on 3D 10 man so, "ppl are fucking retard failing to red shit and firewall, etc" Yea, qq more Knop. Plus you were raid leader so you should have lead by example imo, not dishing on ppl failing. Lol, i destroyed "Covenant" that had like 20 lvl 80s cause i got kicked, wait, you kicked me, does that mean you destroyed the guild? Was i that good that no one could replace me? A bad egg, wow, my feelings are hurt, i think im gonna cry now.
Btw, im not the one that left Covenant hanging to join Downfall, nice move uber guild master. Yea, watch out, nerdrage arent good for your heart. And of course Forshurley and that druid guy i dont remember wont speak being too afraid to be kicked. Btw, did you said to that druid you were talking shit in his back on how he was a bad tank? Prolly not. :)
PS: youre a SP and you hate to heal so your opinion on Grid or Healbot couldn't be more useless
Good luck Knoppix :) Btw, wheres your Heroic: The Descent into Madness guys, lololol. Grid is so good!!!
Application denied, user
Shihli — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:24Application denied, user banned.
GTFO of our website, you worthless sack of shit.
I almost think we should keep
pulga — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:25I almost think we should keep this app saved as for a how not to apply app. And possibly share it with other guilds we like.
did you come on looking for
cromi — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:20did you come on looking for a fight?
I think Knop started it, dont you?
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:24^^^
ban pls
moriella — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:18Can we ban this idiot from the website now pls?
Im glad others have an idea
Aurleas — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:11Im glad others have an idea of what phyl is about i was leery of posting on this app seeing as im new myself but in the few and short times i encountered phyl i would have to completely agree knoppix hit the nail on the head!
Hi
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:23I dont even know you, w/e
First, 3 words for you: Go.
Ghli — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 17:24First, 3 words for you:
Go. Get. Grid.
If you're so worried about loosing your ability to click on a name to heal or cleanse while using grid, get clique. Take 10 minutes out of your time and learn how clique and grid can make your life much easier. You wlil instead of having a 1x25 name interface, you will have a 5x5 interface. What happens if person #25 at the bottom of the list needs a heal, and the previous person at #2 was the last person you needed a heal? Chances are he's going to die in the time you moved your mounse from position 2 to 25, where in grid i can, at most, move 5 positions from the previous person that needs to be healed. Same thing applys if you need to cleanse, HoF, HoP, HoSalvation, or HoSacrafice someone.
Agreed. First thing you need
Derchlon — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 17:33Agreed. First thing you need to do is get Grid, and GridStatusRaidDebuff. It makes everyones lives easier, not just yours.
Depends
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 18:43Gimmie a shot and i'll show you what i can do with Healbot, you could be surprised!!!
Grid is required if you want
Katibug — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 19:50Grid is required if you want to raid with us. I know healbot is decent, but grid is our standard.
Having used healbot and grid
cromi — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:19Having used healbot and grid around the same time to see what everyone was talking about. Grid will always win in this competition because it is much easier to manage and it keeps your raid frames better kept. I play with my screen downsized for performance issues and i need the rest of that room on my screen for actual video maxed out. Grid allows you to just do so much more its just pure win.
ugh?
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:29"it keeps your raid frames better kept" ugh? I dont play downsized and have no problem with performance so i have plenty of room on my screen for my healbot, you can change healbot to be different kind of raid frames too. idk, if i do equal or better than some ppl that use grid, whats wrong?
You want in as a healer, you
Shihli — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:35You want in as a healer, you get Grid.
Period.
ok
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:17So if i would do better than some of your healers with healbot, i wouldn't get in just cause i dont use Grid? That would sound illogical for a progression guild mindset though.
Two side notes: 1) Our guild
Shihli — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:02Two side notes:
1) Our guild uses Grid, not Healbot. Therefore, although you could see what other healers are doing if they had Healbot, *we* aren't going to be using it. Adapt or die.
2) We aren't just a "progression guild". We're a community, a group of friends first and before anything else. You obviously don't seem to care.
I give this guy a big fat no. Even if we do need more healers, we don't need ones with egos and a bad rep.
A community
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:21Yea, a little too personal for me, sry.
I dont have a bad rep, youre all doing me one now, how nice of you.
Your rep as a COCK face
Aurleas — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:24Your rep as a COCK face preceeded you! now you have sucessfully reinforced that reputation plz crawl back in the hole you came out of.
another plus for grid
moriella — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:29Grid allows YOU to see what WE (other healers ) are doing. This makes you more efficient
ok
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:32It would be the same if evryone was using healbot i think, you see incoming heals.
you dont get it
moriella — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:53Doesnt matter what healbot will do, WE use GRID - if you dont, you are not in DF.
We have a collection of the best healers on server bar none. Healers who have healed on the same character for years and never played DPS or tank. Having done it that long, we are pretty damn good at it and know what we are talking about
Argumentative, unwilling to be a team player.
Next pls
Hi
Phyltran (not verified) — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 23:19Kinda sounds elitist to my ears, ouch, it hurts.
Youre right, youre all gods without any server firsts, lame
Long story short, yes. Grid
Shihli — Tue, 05/12/2009 - 22:24Long story short, yes. Grid is superior to Healbot in every way, and if you are unwilling to use a *better* mod to be a *better* healer, you're holding yourself, and by extension your raid, back.