Disc Priest LFW

Praetahim — Mon, 08/16/2010 - 14:19

Character Info

Name:

Praetahim

Server:

Gorgonnash

Race:

Human

Class:

Priest

Role:

Healing

General Questions

Which days are you available for organized guild events? (Raids, RBGs, etc):

Monday

Tuesday

Wednesday

Thursday

Friday

Saturday

Sunday

Upload UI:

Which addons do you consider essential and why?:

add ons? Mods? lol if u wanna know how if feel about add ons and mods take a look at my UI screen shot. Took a lot of time to get that right and it works amazingly.

PvE

Raid Experience:

my progression is 12/12 exp in icc. i have done RS but can never find a grp that can hang in there to down halion. i also have healed with some of the guys from downfall in uldaur. i have completed naxx and toc, and in bc i have done BT, MH, TK, ZA, and Kara. some on different toons at different times.

Personal

What timezone are you in?:

USA, Ga

Tell us a little about yourself.:

33yrs old male. i work privately running my own business. i have 2 little girls, i read a lot and keep up to date with wats going on in WoW and other games.

Open/Closed:

Closed

Closing app. We're solid on

Atar — Thu, 09/16/2010 - 06:28

Closing app. We're solid on priests. Good luck.

Could have used you tonight

Ghli — Wed, 09/15/2010 - 19:08

Could have used you tonight as a healer, but you weren't on during invites. Are you still interested?

Guess this is my "comment on

Scaron — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 12:51

Guess this is my "comment on apps day".

I haven't seen a few of these recommendations elsewhere, so I'll throw them out.

If you've heard lots of this before, I apologize for the repetition, if not I'll throw it out there. Also, I know that you're chomping at the bit to get going and would love to be in Downfall...love the excitement! I really do! I thought it might be nice for you if you had some things to work on, tangible steps to take to improve your performance as you continue throughout the app process.

1. You're a max level tailor...why are you not using a tailoring specific enchant on your cloak?

2. I've looked at your parses. It seems like you might not be casting prayer of mending (at least in the parses I looked at). If you're not casting prayer of mending, start. I make every effort to get that sucker bouncing around on CD. Also, based on parses, I'm not sure you're casting penance. You said that you were tank healing in the parses posted on your app, but if you were and you weren't penancing on CD, I think you might be doing it wrong (disc priests weigh in on this?) Just checked parses, no PoM was cast. EDIT - Just want to clarify something, Penance isn't my most casted spell as a disc priest, I'm just saying that only casting it 3 times / raid night could be improved upon...there are times when it's useful / needed especially if you find yourself keeping tanks up.

It looks like, based on the parses, you're throwing out a lot of flash heals, and that's not a terrible thing. However, when you do that and switch targets regularly, nobody is getting any benefit from Grace (which you've spent 2 points on). Penance throws a quick three stacks of Grace on the tank and is a great way to boost your healing there...like this Penance main tank, shield off-tank, flash heal MT to keep him topped off, PoM the OT. this allows for a bit of healing on the OT while keeping 3 stacks of grace on the MT. If you're tank healing. And if you have a second to throw a quick renew on either or both, great. But, renew is not your bread and butter as a disc priest.

3. I don't think you're prioritizing shields quite highly enough. Those bad boys do A LOT of absorption and make it much easier for the other healers. Plus, if meters make your e-peen happy like they do mine, shields will rock your face off..provided you're using skada. Also, more shield usage means more rapture (which you've spent 3 points on) all of which will amount to larger mana returns for you...keeping you in business longer. I looked at your stats for the night we raided in the parses, and your shields absorb about 2 times as much damage (on average) than your flash heals (including accounting for crits). AND shields are instant casts.

These points so far are all sort of leading up to the same thing. I think your spec is "right" but your playstyle--based on an admittedly limited sample of parses--isn't making the most of your talent points. If you don't ever cast penance, grace isn't benefitting you, and you're not getting mana return out of rapture because you don't cast enough shields, you've basically got 6 wasted talent points.

4. Glyph of pain suppression. Others are more "in" the priesting community than I, but this seems like an odd choice for endgame raiding. Also, linked parses show that you didn't use pain suppression at all that night. filling a glyph spot and then not using that glyph is a bad idea. Right?

5. You're glyphing penance: good. Not using (according to linked parses) penance after you've glyphed it: not good. Just checked, it looks like you cast penance 3 times in the night of the parses. Something to work on.

6. You use a lot of flash heals, why not glyph flash heal for a 10% mana reduction?

7. I'd also love to see you using your Power Infusion. =D I would suggest targeting your friendly neighborhood warlock and infusing his evil darkness with some of your good power. Try this macro:

/tar Scaron

/cast Power Infusion

That should make it easy for you. =D

8. Renew. Again, for the standard disc priest, this is not your bread and butter. Speccing into it, well, it's probably not giving you the oompf that you might get elsewhere...maybe. Personally, I prefer to grab spell warding and reduce the healing load on myself and everyone else by 5%

9. Also, let's not forget about Malto's advice below. You've got some pretty substantial work to do on gems and enchants. Spirit is just not doing that much for you where your primary mana return stat is int. And the spirit enchant on your writsts may be better off as spellpower. I could be wrong, but, if I am, I'd like you to defend your choices there with some logical argument and before you just go take my word for it, do the research to figure things out on the gemming and enchanting front.

cute list...

Praetahim — Wed, 08/25/2010 - 13:43

1. yes i have max tailoring but i am a disc priest and i was told by Sargus to use Haste on cloak not my other enchants so i changed it. Also considering maybe Sargus wasn't noticing I had a 450 in Tailoring so he didn't consider what the better enchant was at the time, and I'm really bent on making a good impression and just trying to follow orders and and be polite and went sheepishly into his suggestion without question. (Sargus, not saying its your bro, just explaining how things came to be. No hard feelings)

2. As far as my Parses go, I was in RS, i rarely get to heal a RS cause i'm not in a guild that runs RS and there really aren't to many 25m RS grps out there, so I felt at that time it was more of a keeping my butt alive thing to do and do the best I can type of fight. I really don't get to raid with DF much outside of a old content raids and that's not much of a count for a real performance. If you want to get me into some raids where i can really grow and develop I'm down for it, but RS once a week isn't going to really help me develop at the standard I set for myself that which is really high. I love my priest and only want to be the best I can with her.

3. Prayer of mending, flash heal, and binding heals; i guess i got use to casting flash heal all the time and its what I've got use to. No perticular reason why I use FH alot, at least not in a big picture kinda way. I'm here to learn and grow with this guild so I'll look into your suggestions.

4. Glyphs and the spells that go with them. Yet again RS to me was a tough fight just cause i don't run it enough and its just a challenge to me and I'll admit I wasn't at my top performance when I should have been. 1st I'll hit on Glyph of pain surpression, yeah its not very affective in PVE, but I kept it around cause I have a habit of getting camped when i'm doing dailies and its come in handy when someone try's to gank me. But its not a must so I can adjust it, **(just recently made the changes it). I also added Glyph of Fort and Glyph of Shackle, not nessacary but felt I could do it to help out anyway I can.

5. I normally do use Penance on tanks or who ever needs them immediately, but thats when i'm more framiliar with the boss i'm up against and i'm more relaxed with the environment. If I get to raid RS with DF more often giving me a change to really get to know the fight you'll truly see that I'm better than what I did that night.

6. Flash Heal. Covered that and made the changes you mentioned.

7. Power Infusion is keybinded to my mouse and is easy for me to target a friendly, Lock, mage, or Moonkin but as I am not use to some of the guys in your raid I wasn't sure who was doing what dps at the time and was having enough trouble staying out of puddles, claws, and cutting beams I was just trying to do the best I could with what I knew at the time.

8. To me it's always been so easy to shield and renew people and that helps them out a lot in my experience and have never had anyone to guide and teach me more about the finer talents, gems and enchants for priest healing. So when I toss a shield on someone for me its 1 easy extra button for me to press to get a renew on them, and that's why I put the talent point there. To me not every raid is the same especially considering how many god awful raid healers I've had to team with. So my renew/shield combo helps the raids I've been in a lot.

That's not to say if I was to raid with DF and the raid healers are a step above the rest and I could focus on other things and adjust talent points I would. Sometimes one has to sacrifice what he's learned to know is comfterable for what is more current. If DF needs me to adjust something to be more helpful I'll make the changes as long as the request is to help everyone out. Ex: The raid needs a shadow priest, I have no gear for dps but if the raid needs me to build a dps off set I'd do it just to help out, ( just an example, I do prefer healing. lol). P.S. Love the Target macro you tossed in there. never thought of doing it that way, beats hunting for your name on grid and missing a spell caster and hitting a Rogue with PI, LAWL. <--- i have done that.

9. Extra stuff; Bracers, thanks for seeing that, i changed it to SP as soon as I got my H Bracers from LDW the other night. Cloak I've mentioned, Gems. I agree spirit isn't very useful to disc but is there any advice for what to toss into a Blue socket without losing socket bonuses or is it better to lose socket bonus and toss something like a intel or SP gem in? My idea bracers come from H Rotface, not to mention his wand. In my opinion there isn't much to change, having a nice heaping of gold its just nip n tuck to me. As you've noticed I haven't changed my spec. Currently I'm not going to til I know for sure where i'm heading and what I'm doing as far as a guild/raid group. I still have to pug Icc's and renew is pretty helpful when your raid healer is sitting there picking his nose not knowing what to do. When/if a spot opens for a disc priest in DF all things considered it wouldn't be a issue to change my spec.

cute list...

Praetahim — Wed, 08/25/2010 - 13:43

6. Flash Heal. Covered that and made the changes you mentioned.

Ok after my long post and

Scaron — Mon, 08/30/2010 - 13:26

Ok after my long post and your thought out response, I think I probably at least owe you a follow up.

1. Some of your changes look good regarding gear and enchants. I still think you need to gem FAR more intellect--even if it means giving up socket bonuses. Just my opinion though. Read up on elitist jerks to determine what the optimal mana pool is in a 25man raid and get to that.

2. I did look at another of your parses (http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/d9o4eof3n2cx8cek/sum/healingDone/). While it seems like you did a little better here, I'm still concerned at some of your spell usage. Seems like many of the same problems as before: not enough PW:S (although this was better), too much FH, almost no PoM (which in ICC is like free healing), etc.

Consider this re: PW:S. It absorbs about exactly as much at your current gear level as a flash heal heals. However, flash heal has a cast time and does not return any mana to you when it is done healing. Also, you can't cast it while moving.

I know you say you like your renews. The cold, hard fact is this: You should stop casting it so much. Put it on the tank, that's about it...and even that might be questionable. 70% of the healing power of your renew spells that you cast in the above parse was wasted mana, essentially. 70% overheals. I do use renew sometimes on my priest...only when a shield is expired, the target has a weakened soul debuff active (so I can't reshield), AND I expect them to take more damage in the very near future. OR, the target is a warlock running low on mana who will be lifetapping in the near future.

Your prayer of mending expelled 34 charges...that's about the equivalent of casting PoM somewhere between 7 and 10 times all night. Each time one of those charges was used, you healed someone for an average of 5k. It's possible that you could get 15-20K average healing (estimating conservatively) on ONE GCD, if only you used more PoM.

I wasn't there for the night of the parses, but looking at your numbers and considering your gear, I am guessing that you were running out of mana early on in some of your wipe attempts--especially on healing intensive fights.

My opinion on you is this: We need for healers to be healing at optimal levels in our 25man progression raids and I'm not sure I see that from you yet. I would very much like it if you spent a few weeks reading up on your class and trying to retrain yourself about how to perform at an optimal level. I'd suggest starting off at Elitist Jerks and going from there. Learn to read your parses and track your improvement. Master grid modifications. Become fast, agressive, and take great pride in healing people's asses off. Get some addon that helps you know when to send another PoM out into the raid.

As it stands, though, I don't think you're where we need you to be. My opinion is only that, one dude's opinion. I don't make the decisions, but I think you really have a long way to go. It's not impossible, but no amount of information anyone here can give you is better than you learning your class and internalizing its mechanics so that you're the king of the healers--as you should be.

Changes

Praetahim — Wed, 09/01/2010 - 02:39

I gave up on a few things. thinking i get the point, but some i'm not sure of.

gave up on Flash of lighting everyone... to much of a holy thing to be tossing around not enough to be used as a disc priest. Flash is fine for assitanting with tank healing such as LK fights and keeping those tanks capped off but as far as dps goes PW Shield with a droods hots = omg perfection.

Also ditched renewing everyone every chance i get. it was a mana and time waste. also respecced out of improved renew and tossed them into SW 3/5. I almost wasn't sure about it til i read something about SW gets rid of Forbearance faster. Thats a big help to disc priest. My job is to let the raid healers do their job and i'll do mine by bubbling and tossing around PoM's every time their off of CD. A 10'sec CD is pretty easy to get by withwhen i'm toss it again on like Tanks/melee if their huddled up, Than when it pops again Try and toss it to Some Rdps that are huddled together, much easier than trying to renew muliple targets that already have hots on them. :D

I looked up some stuff on IJ.com about best stats for Disc Priest, Haste isn't so important, got TP's for that, Ex: barrow time. (their were a few comments about max stacking Haste to bring down ur CD to 1sec with the BT proc. But that's losing a lot of SP/In by doing so... scratched that idea). Intel is good for disc priest cause it cause healz to grant that proc DA, so if my PoM is bouncing and it crits someone they get a extra lil shield. The thing i need to know the most from this guild and wat they need from me is what would i be likely to be doing the most of; If i'm assisting with Tank healing, Haste and Intellect are excellent to stack a extra amount of. If its just shielding the raid and tossing PoM its mostly and almost completely SP. From what IJ's and a few other websites point out there really isn't a middle point where you can perfectly stack the correct amount Hast,SP, and Intel. Also by just Raid Bubbling and PoM'ing it causes little to no mana Use not to mention that everytime one of my shields are Busted/Dispelled I'm energized with 2.5 of my mana, and the tank gets a lil Rage, Ruin, or Mana out of it to and that can help them alot.

Now considering all that...swww I'm getting the hang of being disc and reading and rereading alot about being disc I don't think i'm ready for DF. Yeap I said it. I'm having to retrain and rework my way through my rotations and its not a easy swift adaption to be adjusting to. But it is fun. I'd personally like to sit on the bench and go through some pugs and GKP's to get use to it and find where I excel and where I need to improve to get better so when/if a spot opens I can go in and feel comfortable with my skill and know i'm doing great and making DF proud with all I've learned. I ask you to plz not take down my app. lol. I'm still around and maybe I'll run with Keonaa some more in her icc10m and you guys can keep taps on me that way and as always I look forward to your comments and critazing. Its the only way I'll know i'm truly improving, after all i've never commited myselt to pure raiding and being good at it so it's fun journey and i'll like to see myself as a DF guild member sometime soon. So thank you Malto, and Scaron for all your time on my app.

PS... I downloaded Rawr and Celebra was going through some things with me. Rawr is suggesting gemming nothing but Pure SP.... any thought on that one? lol.... yes i'm reading it right and watched a few video's on youtube about it and how u do many different things with it. Love these big ole replies i give you. :D

I agree with this most well

Maltoheals — Mon, 08/30/2010 - 13:34

I agree with this most well thought out response .....

In my opinion your renews are getting stomped on all day long (holy is casting them faster and druids and stomping on them with their hots so your spending Mana poorly in this case .... AKA Absorbs should be number one.... It amazes me how much of a difference these make in a raid

Use them --

sorry

Praetahim — Wed, 08/25/2010 - 13:44

...that got posted twice. dbl clicked save.

Name Change:

Praetahim — Wed, 08/25/2010 - 15:47

The Priest formerly known as Rachelray will now be known as Praetahim, (Pray to him). Tired of being called Rachelray, being a guy it sux being called a girls name over vent, so I went with something a lil more neutral. Hope you guys like it, let me know wat u think.

Rachelrayy

Fattkat — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 09:33

Ive raided with him multiple times very good healer he does his job as Disc priest makin sure max dmg is abosorbed

Please keep comments in your

Onrique — Mon, 08/23/2010 - 11:20

Please keep comments in your application focused on you. I also see you active in a lot of other applications. I appreciate the enthusiasm and willingness to put in a good word for friends, but stick to this app, please.

This comment was directed at

Scaron — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 11:08

This comment was directed at Rachel, right? Just clarifying.

Yes

Onrique — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 12:28

Yes

Ha Ha Rachel is commenting

Maltoheals — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 11:13

Ha Ha Rachel is commenting all over the apps

yes the comment in perticular

Grasen — Tue, 08/24/2010 - 11:22

yes the comment in perticular on the young kids app shoulda been skipped imo. I apprechate you trying to be active but we are not in the business of trying to comprimise with people so they will join us, either they fit what we need or they dont, Lets not give apps false hope.

Parses August

Threerick — Thu, 08/19/2010 - 20:58

Parses August 19th

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/3i684mk2q29c3h61/

Parses...

Praetahim — Thu, 08/19/2010 - 21:23

Someone might have to go over this with me. i'm not sure if this is good or bad? I personally as a disc priest i like to be tossing my shields, renews and dispels. but with the lack of a tank healer (holy pali) i tryed to step up and do my best and focus on the tanks, followed by assisting with shields and healing the healers when they were under fire. I know we didn't down halion like we all wanted but I can tell you i was in there giving it my all. Anyways I'd love some guild feedback and always welcome any advice and i can even handle a compliment or two.

If Cele says he is good, then

shakos — Tue, 08/17/2010 - 22:30

If Cele says he is good, then I agree with malto lets try him out in ICC, and get a feel for him as a player.

rachelrayy

Celebra — Tue, 08/17/2010 - 21:40

So I've been talking to him and guiding him as much as I can since he ran Uld10 HMs with us 2 weeks ago. He is a smart player and took the limited advice I gave him regarding priests. As far as concerns regarding trade chat trolling, I've seen him in trade here and there but I've never really seen anything out of line. That of course doesn't mean that he's never said anything bad, just that I haven't seen him do much beyond being silly for laughs. He said that if it is an issue he wont do it anymore, and I think that has to count for something.

We have been talking a lot about his app and he has really changed a lot of the way he gemmed and geared his toon in reflection of the discussion on his app here with malto. He is willing to learn and to adjust. There are a lot of things that stand as unexcusable behavior that we've seen from apps recently and I hope that this app and the person behind it is given another chance, a closer look at what he has to offer.

well I would like to see him

Maltoheals — Tue, 08/17/2010 - 22:15

well I would like to see him in our raid to see what he can do

He has changed a lot I can see from his armory and from what I can see he is trying out the mouse overs :)

I think i'm in love

Praetahim — Tue, 08/17/2010 - 21:57

<3's out to mah girl. she is right i have never tryed so hard to get into a guild. Most guilds are like oh hey u can heal and ur reasonably good ur joining us. This is the first guild ever to make me try and do work to improve myself and my toon. and to me that is amazing. to some that would be overwhelming but to me i love the challenge and the improving. I do icc10 and 25 every week and i'm getting bored cause no one wants to do HM or the one's that try just can't get down the changes but for some reason i'm the smart one that lives through it all til me and a tank are left standing. I want that out of a guild. I want a guild i can stand up to and Celebra knows in all of her heart how hard i am trying. I just hope this guild can at least give me a serious try out where i can go in and try my best and show you guys that I can heal my butt off and keep you guys alive.

That will be 50k gold for the

Celebra — Wed, 08/18/2010 - 16:52

That will be 50k gold for the good recommendation, thanks.

Jk :)

ok.

Praetahim — Wed, 08/18/2010 - 21:35

Meet me in dalaran ET and i'll pay you. And just wanted to say thank you for the special pix u sent me. they really helped out alot.

Can we get a little more

Scaron — Mon, 08/30/2010 - 12:47

Can we get a little more information about Celebra's "special pix"?

For clarification.

Celebra — Mon, 08/30/2010 - 18:41

There are not and never will be any "special pix" for anyone.

Special PIX

Praetahim — Tue, 08/31/2010 - 15:33

OMG, is this guild full of childish 12yr olds? Boys will be Boys, Celebra. i'm totally sorry for any confusion i started or any harm that might have come to u. Anyways "BOYS" the special pix i was referring to about Celebra was screen shoots of her UI, and some of her add-on's and mods. Of course i could have just said that, but Celebra's been a real gem with helping with me with a lot of my issues that i'm trying to over come, ex; gear, spec, gems. So she sent me pix of her UI to help me get a idea of how she does things. Now behave everyone and keep it in ur pants. this is a professional raiding guild and i will not tolerate anyone being offencive to any women in the guild. I may not be able to Gkick you but i'll report you to blizzard for something really horrible.... like spamming gold? ha ha i kid i kid.

Anyways, glad you guys had a ha ha laugh at my joke and remember, WHY SO SERIOUS?

Boys will be boys, is a

Derchlon — Tue, 08/31/2010 - 16:54

Boys will be boys, is a demonstrative example of "doing gender." That is to say, imposing social construction view points to further engage in and support cultural stereotypes.

Furthermore, there could be a great deal of males that read your above post and become emasculated by the implications of lowered age ranges already passed in by-gone years. Reducing the majority of males in the guild into a twelve year old maturity range, is strongly reinforced two sentences later with the derogatory term used to describe men perceived to be behaving immaturely.

This kind of insensitivity in regard to males within our guild is wretched, and should not be supported. Obviously, this whole comment is tongue-in-cheek.

Just to support this post,

Alprazalam — Wed, 09/01/2010 - 07:18

Just to support this post, someone said the was special pics of Celebra somewhere around here. =D

hmmm...

Praetahim — Wed, 09/01/2010 - 02:59

Me thinks he thinks to much.... must be a hoot in vent.

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