I'm leaning toward making DST the exception to the rule.  Giving a Main REGULAR Raider priority.  When I say REGULAR...you can't be a wishy washy show up sometimes raider...I mean CORE DEPENDABLE Hamfist/LF1M.  (ie: Shihli, Mavandon, Pulga, Derchelon..etc)

I love this guild, and we are a guild first and foremost, and this concept is good for the guild as a whole.  Don't think for a single second that these mALT fun runs would happen without the help of the mains that come along for the ride/loot/gold/fun...they are a necessity...without them we wouldn't be rolling over these like clockwork.

Now is your chance to convince me why I shouldn't do this...if you can't come up with a reason...or you haven't bothered to be on the site to keep up with the discussion... YOU CAN'T BITCH AT ME WHEN THIS COMES UP ON SUNDAY!! (you forfeit your right to any argument because you don't read the website of a guild that relies heavily upon it's communication on the site)

I know that if DST dropped for me, I would put Gruul/Mag runs on the back burner for priority(aka no canceling of an RL event), but I still love to go just for the heck of it.  Gruul is one of my favorite 25-man bosses if for no other reason than how much I love the Gronn character model.

Mag, I would do regardless.  We get more epic gems in the bank, and dish out free 20 slot bags to (eventually) everyone.  Toss in the lure of T4 token trade ins for PvP gear(although I would pass to someone in a heartbeat if they need it for PvE content like I did last week), and it makes the trip in there more than worthwhile.

Since the government changed things and we had to patch every puter at work DST will for ever more be Daylight Savings Time for me...a little off topic.

LOL Aidin wins.  That is why I thought about the whole alt vs main rolling thing. I feel that most mains would break out once they got the DST.

 I won't lie, I would like DST, but it has a great evil aura around it.

gruul's peaked my interest only because it is short and connected to magtheridon there after, or before.  I am more concerned with acquiring badges so I don't have to run heroics :D

Here's my question...

Let's say we give mains priority on the DST...would you still come to our runs after you win or will you have better things to do???? 

Don't lie to me cause I'm writing this shit down and I will pwn ur face if you lie....

The DST is one of the only reasons that BT/MH and better guilds continuously run Gruul's Lair - it IS that good.

And Gares, again - Garreth, myself, and any others that have chimed in have NOT said "NO ALTS ROLL!"  We've all said that it might be kind and perhaps wise for people in attendance on alts to pass on the DST in the event that it dropped, for mains to possibly acquire.

NO WHERE has anyone said that the rules have changed in a mAlt run.  The only person who really makes that determination is Aidin.  All we've been saying is, if you come on your 3rd-string new-70 dps alt with crap gear that you only use to farm ... you won't likely get as much use out of that trinket as, say, a 4-time-a-week hardcore main-toon raider. 

FYI ...Aidin is paying attn to this discussion, she's just soaking up everyone's opinions..and Yes Shi it does suck to be me...

No offense to everyone else in guild but everyone knows mALTs policy on loot and it is said before a Gruul run as well. If you want to have a better shot at DST for your main and not stand the remote possibility that a guildie alt will only look out for themselves. You can lead your own Gruul run or attend a GKP and dish out 2kg.

That being said, I will NOT be rolling on DST as I would rather haeve  Zerker's Call, The Expertise Trinket outta H Mr T, Tsunami Talisman or Hourglass of the Unravaller.

And please take no offense to what I said. I jst am pointing out other ways where it is easier to assure a main gets a drop :(

~Legendary Nobody

It was just a thought.  If Gruul did drop a DST, and someone who was using their once-a-week/gold farming alt and beats out a raider, be it me or any other, it wouldn't be the best of situation.  Raiders, whether they be in ham fist or lf1m, are trying to help the raid progress to further content.  If an alt or newly 70 main snags that up from raiders, it wouldn't help progression.   I am aware the whole idea of mAlt is that everyone is on equal grounds, but this type of item might just be worth it to bend the rules slightly.  As G and shihli were saying, it's an idea, not trying to enforce loot ideas, and if the raid believes that everyone should be able to roll on it, then that's what best.  We are in a democracy, after all.

DST would be perfect for my rogue! I hear it helps you mine/smelt better. Fish actually jump from the water to be clubbed by it.

 I totally would roll on it with my rogue!

=p

For me it depends on the level of loot whine... if there is a lot of whining (or even strong suggestions that alts should pass during a mAlt run) I would roll for it on an alt (if it matched my spec). Otherwise, I love to pass on gear that will help out a main (that is actually not sarcastic).

Luckily I come as a healer and only use my rogue to farm and a rare bg or something...

That's what I'm saying, G.  I hope other people think in similar fashion. 

If you can't get me in for Mag, I would like a shot at the DST off of gruul.

Suggestion: Go with what G said last week, and if it drops only mains who are in lf1m/hamfist would get to roll on it.   IE: Derch, me, etc.

Bump!