Tuque's Wishlist
saedo — Sat, 06/14/2008 - 10:28
Since my Pally reached 70, the nerd in me started to look at possible gear upgrades. And guess what happened, I of course planned out my whole upgrade path. I'd probably never even see half this stuff, but whatever, call me a dreamer. lol
So I needed some system to rank the gear. I did find some stat weights to use on EJ so I went with that.
Healing: 1 (Base Value)
Intellect: 2.25
Spell Crit: 2.25
MP5: 4.5
Spell Haste: 2.0
Anyways, tell me of the ranks look approximately correct if you can, or if you see anything vastly wrong with the list or something I'm missing, tell me please!
Last Updated: 9/15/2008
Head: [Crystalforge Greathelm] (545.89 pts)
[Helm of Burning Righteousness] +110.0 pts (Kil'jaeden)
[Justicebringer 3000 Specs] +36.25 pts (Crafted)
[Lightbringer Greathelm] +18.25 pts (Archimonde)
[Crown of Empowered Fate] +6.0 pts (RoS)
Neck: [Emberspur Talisman] (115.5 pts)
[Brooch of the Highborne] +84.5 pts (Felmyst)
[Brooch of Nature's Mercy] +79.5 pts (Akil'zon)
[Nadina's Pendant of Purity] +73.75 pts (Shahraz)
[Guardian's Pendant of Reprieve] +58.75 pts (15300 Honor, 10 EotS)
[Sin'dorei Pendant of Salvation] +52.75 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Lord Sanguinar's Claim] +37.75 pts (Kael)
[Shattered Sun Pendant of Restoration] +34.89 pts (SSO-Aldor Exalted)
[Sin'dorei Pendant of Conquest] +26.25 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Amulet of Unfettered Magics] +25.75 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Loop of Cursed Bones] +15.5 pts (Zul'jin)
[Teeth of Gruul] +13.75 pts (Gruul)
[Archaic Charm of Presence] +11.25 pts (Doomwalker)
[Adornment of Stolen Souls] +9.25 pts (Malchezaar)
Shoulders: [Hex Lord's Voodoo Pauldrons] (234.0 pts)
[Spaulders of the Thalassian Savior] +84.0 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Lightbringer Pauldrons] +43.5 pts (Shahraz)
[Glimmering Steel Mantle] +26.25 pts (Anetheron)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Spaulders] +13.75 pts (1500 Arena + 2200 Rating)
Back: [Stainless Cloak of the Pure Hearted] (136.25 pts)
[Tattered Cape of Antonidas] +52.5 pts (Kil'jaeden)
[Shroud of Redeemed Souls] +49.25 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Shroud of the Highborne] +47.5 pts (Illidan)
[Shroud of the Final Stand] +26.75 pts (BT Trash)
[Cloak of Ancient Rituals] +9.75 pts (Hex Lord)
Chest: [Ecclesiastical Cuirass] (315.25 pts)
[Noble Judicator's Chestguard] +102.5 pts (M'uru)
[Lightbringer Chestpiece] +62.75 pts (Illidan)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Chestguard] +17.75 pts (1875 Arena + 1600 Rating)
[Crystalforge Chestpiece] +12.75 pts (Kael)
[Savior's Grasp] +2.25 pts (Archimonde)
Wrist: [Vambraces of the Naaru] (169.5 pts)
[Lightbringer Bracers] +58.5 pts (Kalecgos)
[Blessed Adamantite Bracers] +11.75 pts (Winterchill)
[Guardian's Ornamented Bracers] +6.75 pts (11794 Honor, 20 WSG, 1575 Rating)
[Dawnsteel Bracers] +2.25 pts (Crafted)
Hands: [Justicar Gloves] (192.0 pts)
[Gauntlets of the Soothed Soul] +131.0 pts (M'uru)
[Sunblessed Gauntlets] +125.75 pts (Crafted)
[Glorious Gauntlets of Crestfall] +60.25 pts (Vashj)
[Lightbringer Gloves] +38.0 pts (Azgalor)
[Crystalforge Gloves] +35.75 pts (Leotheras)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Gloves] +35.5 pts (1125 Arena) +99.45 w/100% FoL
[Handguards of the Templar] +14.0 pts (60 Badges)
[Gauntlets of Renewed Hope] +5.0 pts (Attumen)
[Merciless Gladiator's Ornamented Gloves] -13.25 pts (10500 Honor, 20 AV) +99.45 w/100% FoL
Waist: [Girdle of Stromgarde's Hope] (250.0 pts)
[Lightbringer Belt] +77.25 pts (Brutallus)
Legs: [Crystalforge Leggings] (323.5 pts)
[Legplates of the Holy Juggernaut] +106.0 pts (Kalecgos)
[Lightbringer Leggings] +42.0 pts (Council)
Feet: [Two-toed Sandals] (223.5 pts)
[Lightbringer Treads] +105.75 pts (Felmyst)
[Pearl Inlaid Boots] +20.25 pts (Naj'entus)
[Guardian's Ornamented Greaves] +6.75 pts (17850 Honor, 40 EotS, 1700 Rating)
Finger: [Band of Eternity] Healer Friendly (140.5 pts), [Anveena's Touch] (158.25 pts)
[Ring of Flowing Life] +82.5 pts (Crafted)
[Band of Lucent Beams] +68.75 pts (Kalecgos)
[Blessed Band of Karabor] +64.5 pts (BT Trash)
[Band of the Eternal Restorer] +63.64 pts (Hyjal Exalted)
[Signet of the Quiet Forest] +55.75 pts (3rd Timed Chest)
[Ring of Omnipotence] +42.5 pts (M'uru)
[Ring of Calming Waves] +38.25 pts (Naj'entus)
[Band of Eternity] +24.75 pts (Hyjal Revered)
[Loop of Forged Power] +16.5 pts (Crafted)
[Phoenix-Ring of Rebirth] +13.5 pts (Al'ar)
[Band of Eternity] +10.75 (Hyjal Honored)
[Naaru Lightwarden's Band] +6.75 pts (Magtheridon)
[Ring of Ancient Knowledge] +5.5 pts (BT Trash)
Trinkets: [Essence of the Martyr] (133.5 pts), [Scarab of the Infinite Cycle] (155.33 pts)
[Memento of Tyrande] +174.5 pts (Illidan)
[Glimmering Naaru Sliver] +135.5 pts (M'uru)
[Shifting Naaru Sliver] +27.84 pts (M'uru)
[Sextant of Unstable Currents] +19.83 pts (Fathom-Lord)
[Tome of Diabolic Remedy] +13.5 pts (Hex Lord)
[Pendant of the Violet Eye] +11.62 pts (Aran) (FoL: +26.31 pts)
Librams: [Blessed Book of Nagrand] +79.0 FoL, [Libram of Souls Redeemed] +120.0 HL + 60.0 FoL w/BoL, [Libram of Mending] +99.0 HL Weaving
[Libram of Absolute Truth] +306.0 HL (Lurker)
[Libram of Light] +4.0 FoL (Noth)
Off Hand: [Enamelled Disc of Mojo] (151.75 pts)
[Aegis of Angelic Fortune] +27.0 pts (M'uru)
[Felstone Bulwark] +20.25 pts (Supremus)
Main Hand: [Dark Blessing] (533.75 pts)
[Hammer of Sanctification] +183.75 pts (Kil'jaeden)
[Archon's Gavel] +94.25 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Brutal Gladiator's Salvation] +22.5 pts (3150 Arena, 2050 Rating)
[Crystal Spire of Karabor] +13.0 pts (Illidan)
[Hammer of Atonement] +8.25 pts (Kaz'rogal)
[Lightfathom Scepter] +3.75 pts (Vashj)
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Rep:
[Band of the Eternal Restorer] +63.64 pts (Hyjal Exalted)
[Shattered Sun Pendant of Restoration] +34.89 pts (SSO-Aldor Exalted)
[Band of Eternity] +24.75 pts (Hyjal Revered)
[Band of Eternity] +10.75 pts(Hyjal Honored)
Crafted:
[Sunblessed Gauntlets] +125.75 pts
[Ring of Flowing Life] +81.0 pts
[Justicebringer 3000 Specs] +36.25 pts
[Loop of Forged Power] +16.5 pts
[Dawnsteel Bracers] +2.25 pts (Crafted)
Heroic Badges (includes pts/badge factor):
[Handguards of the Templar] +14.0 pts (60 Badges 0.23)
PVP:
[Guardian's Pendant of Reprieve] +58.75 pts (15300 Honor, 10 EotS)
[Guardian's Ornamented Greaves] +6.75 pts (17850 Honor, 40 EotS, 1700 Rating)
[Guardian's Ornamented Bracers] +6.75 pts (11794 Honor, 20 WSG, 1575 Rating)
[Merciless Gladiator's Ornamented Gloves] -13.25 pts (10500 Honor, 20 AV) +99.45 w/100% FoL
Arena:
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Gloves] +35.5 pts (1125 Arena) +99.45 w/100% FoL
[Brutal Gladiator's Salvation] +22.5 pts (3150 Arena, 2050 Rating)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Chestguard] +17.75 pts (1875 Arena + 1600 Rating)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Spaulders] +13.75 pts (1500 Arena + 2200 Rating)
Karazhan:
[Pendant of the Violet Eye] +11.62 pts (Aran) (FoL: +26.31 pts)
[Adornment of Stolen Souls] +9.25 pts (Malchezaar)
[Gauntlets of Renewed Hope] +5.0 pts (Attumen)
Zul'Aman:
[Brooch of Nature's Mercy] +79.5 pts (Akil'zon)
[Signet of the Quiet Forest] +55.75 pts (3rd Timed Chest)
[Tome of Diabolic Remedy] +19.25 pts (Hex Lord)
[Loop of Cursed Bones] +15.5 pts (Zul'jin)
[Cloak of Ancient Rituals] +9.75 pts (Hex Lord)
Gruul's Lair:
[Teeth of Gruul] +13.75 pts (Gruul)
Magtheridon:
[Naaru Lightwarden's Band] +6.75 pts
Serpentshrine Caverns:
[Libram of Absolute Truth] +306.0 HL (Lurker)
[Glorious Gauntlets of Crestfall] +60.25 pts (Vashj)
[Crystalforge Gloves] +35.75 pts (Leotheras)
[Sextant of Unstable Currents] +19.83 pts (Fathom-Lord)
[Lightfathom Scepter] +3.75 pts (Vashj)
Tempest Keep:
[Lord Sanguinar's Claim] +37.75 pts (Kael)
[Phoenix-Ring of Rebirth] +13.5 pts (Al'ar)
[Crystalforge Chestpiece] +12.75 pts (Kael)
Go Adept's and Major
garreth — Tue, 06/17/2008 - 10:48Go Adept's and Major Mageblood (if you can afford it). Best combo evarrr.
So question. When would be
saedo — Mon, 06/16/2008 - 10:37So question. When would be a good time to start heroics? Heh, if were the old days, I wouldn't have thought about it being only 1 day into 70 and would've needed Revered rep for it all. But now it's just honored and that's all easily done already.
And in making this list up I find there's really nothing much in terms of upgrades in the normal 70 dungeons, maybe 2-3 minor ones Not a lot of major stuff in heroics themselves either.
And on a semi-random note. I've had other um I guess newly "kz-geared" pallies come up and try to compare to me. Basically using +healing, this guy would have 1300ish and I'd be at 1000ish. But upon further inspection, I'd have 6% more crit and double the mp5 he did. lol
Yeah, I used to always
garreth — Mon, 06/16/2008 - 10:47Yeah, I used to always sacrifice healing for mp5 and crit. People that stack pure +heal do great for the first 1/3 of a boss fight. But I'm powerhealing during that last 1/3 where it really matters. And, honestly, If i'm at 33% overheal, why not spec into regen and outlast everyone else?
To this day I'm still one of the lowest +heal pallys I know because I go with spellsurge, mana regen trinkets and crit instead of just pure +heal across the board. It makes a massive difference, even while chain-potting, on fights like Kalecgos and Bloodboil.
I'm finding the Pendant to
garreth — Sun, 06/15/2008 - 16:08I'm finding the Pendant to be an incredible trinket, even this deep into Sunwell.
That much int is healing and crit and base mana. Plus, the on-use is incredible for a flash build, allows me to GAIN mana while spamming flash. It's nuts!
Yea my bit of math modelling
saedo — Sun, 06/15/2008 - 16:25Yea my bit of math modelling seems to agree. The top 3 trinkets I have on the list are in a class of their own for Flash spamming builds when compared to numbers 4 and below.
Trinket Analysis: Assumes
saedo — Sun, 06/15/2008 - 13:51Trinket Analysis:
Assumes using it at every CD, and or able to proc after each internal CD.
[Vengeance of the Illidari] = 220*10 / 90 = 24.444
[Auslese's Light Channeler] = 215 / 180 * 5 * 4.5 = 26.875
[Glimmering Naaru Sliver] = 250 * 8 / 300 * 5 * 4.5 = 150
[Memento of Tyrande] = 15 / 3 * 76 / 45 * 5 * 4.5 = 190
[Pendant of the Violet Eye] = Damn this is a bit harder to figure out. lol
Assume FoL spam, 1.5 sec chain cast no lag.
So at best, no lag chain spamming situations, this returns 672 mana.
Value = 672 / 120 * 5 * 4.5 = 126
[Sextant of Unstable Currents] = 190 * 15 / 45 = 63.333
[Essence of the Martyr] = 297*20 / 120 = 49.5
[Tome of Diabolic Remedy] = 396*20 / 120 = 66
[Shifting Naaru Sliver] = 320*15 / 90 = 53.33
[Ribbon of Sacrifice] = Need a bit more analysis with this too
Assuming FoL spams:
So total = 5*300 + 270 + etc = 2850 healing
Use Value = 2850 / 120 = 23.75
[Xi'ri's Gift] = 280*15 / 90 = 46.667
[Fel Reaver's Piston] (15 sec CD) = 500 / 15 = 33.333
[Lower City Prayerbook] (assume FoL) = 15 / 1.5 * 22 / 60 * 5 * 4.5 = 82.5
[Scarab of the Infinite Cycle] = 320*6 / 45 * 1.27 = 54.187
[Eye of the Dead] = 5*450 / 120 = 18.75
[Vial of the Sunwell] = 2000 / 120 = 16.67
[Shiffar's Nexus-Horn] = 225 * 10 / 45 = 50
Well that's what I get for straight up stat modelling. Of course some procs/uses will shine better than others depending on situation.
Trinket Analysis Take
saedo — Tue, 06/17/2008 - 11:11Trinket Analysis Take 2:
There were a few trinkets that vastly benefitted from FoL spamming. I'm gonna now do a check on those with HL spamming.
[Pendant of the Violet Eye]
Assume LG is already up.
Total = 504 mana
Use Value = 504 / 120 * 5 * 4.5 = 94.5
The difference of 31.5 when compared to FoL spamming. So even with HL spamming this trinket seems to be well above 4th place on my list.
[Ribbon of Sacrifice]
Total = 1650 healing
Use Value = 1650 / 120 = 13.75
Difference of 10 from FoL spamming, which seems to knock it down to 2nd last on the list.
[Lower City Prayerbook] = 15 / 2.0 * 22 / 60 * 5 * 4.5 = 61.875
Difference of 20.625 from FoL spamming, which seems to knock it down a couple slots on the list.
Trinket Analysis Take
saedo — Tue, 06/17/2008 - 11:38Trinket Analysis Take 3:
Upon some further thought, lag and reaction times probably have to be considered. But assuming the best case even with that, probably only means the last tick of the effect doesn't apply. Which is often the greatest effect of the trinket as well.
[Pendant of the Violet Eye]
FoL Spamming = 399 / 120 * 5 * 4.5 = 74.8125 - Difference of 51.1875, still 3rd place on the list.
HL Spamming = 294 / 120 * 5 * 4.5 = 55.125 - Difference of 39.375 (or 70.875 from perfect FoL), which still gives it 3rd place, but only slightly above 4th now.
[Ribbon of Sacrifice] - A bit more tricky cause it's healing instead of mp5, so depends on how much leeway we give. Let's say 1.5 sec for now.
FoL Spamming = 2550 / 120 = 21.25 - Difference of 2.5, not much of a change.
HL Spamming = 1350 / 120 = 11.25 - Difference of 2.5 again (or 12.5 from perfect FoL), which still drops it down to 2nd last on the list
[Lower City Prayerbook] - This depends on how many spell casts. If FoL, 15 / 1.5 = 10, HL = 15 / 2.0 = 7.5. So I guess we knock em down a peg to account for the lag/reaction.
FoL Spamming = 9 * 22 / 60 * 5 * 4.5 = 74.25 - Difference of 8.25, which knocks it down 1 slot on the list.
HL Spamming = 7 * 22 / 60 * 5 * 4.5 = 57.75 - Difference of 4.125 (or 24.75 from perfect FoL), which knocks it down 2 slots on the list.
FoL spamming is effective. I
Freakshow (not verified) — Sun, 06/15/2008 - 08:12FoL spamming is effective. I think my raiding days I was around 60/40 ratio FoL/HL when my FoL was hitting for somewhere around 1800-2k(albeit it nearly 9 months ago at this point).
However, keeping up LG is also important, and you can easily downrank HL to do just that, it's just not as mana efficient doing so.
Healing heroics I prefer to use more HL, simply because it offers more crit(thus more mp5/ and effective heals combined) and makes sure LG is always procced.
Find a comfortable balance between crit/ + healing for your playstyle, and this will be amazingly effective, because IMO, it's more talent then strategy when it comes to healing on a pally.
I've grouped with FoL only spammers that have done an amazing job, and on the contrary, HL spammers that couldn't keep his group alive if they were all afk'd in Shatt.
I'm at 115 mp5 while casting
saedo — Sun, 06/15/2008 - 04:30I'm at 115 mp5 while casting so far.
Hmm if we go by 1% crit = 4mp5 + 24 healing. Then with the stat weights I got...
22.1 crit = 4*4.5 + 24 = 42
1 crit = 1.9
So um, less value that I had it as. lol
Let's see, to reverse engineer mine's, I guess it would be.
22.1 crit = 49.725
So, either, 4mp5 + 31.7 healing, or 5.7mp5 + 24 healing, or anywhere inbetween.
But then I'm doing Flash of Light spamming atm. Keeps me occupied and I never ever really run out of mana. Hell, I found it hard to stay below 90% mana a lot of the times. lol Which is fine by me.
I only start to dip into mana if I'm forced to use Holy Light.
This early on in gearing,
garreth — Sun, 06/15/2008 - 04:14This early on in gearing, your Mp5 will be weighted higher than crit, just like you have. However, there will come a point after some set bonuses and a good ~120ish mp5 while casting that you'll weight crit much higher. Crit is essentially +heal and mp5 all in one stat -- just like int, only to a lesser degree.
I saw a post somewhere awhile ago that stated a full 1% to crit was equivalent to roughly 4mp5 and 24 +heal for a holy light build. I don't know if that's still accurate, however.
Well after some thought I
saedo — Sun, 06/15/2008 - 04:09Well after some thought I think I'm gonna model some things like this, similar to rogue proc'ing math:
[Band of the Eternal Restorer] - 45 sec internal CD. Assuming you can proc it each time it's off CD. Then the average healing benefit you get from the proc is 175 x 10 / 45 = 38.89.
So with my stat weights, the ring becomes a 126.68 pt ring and goes up a few ranks in value to 2nd best in slot.
Wll work on the trinket list later with similar modelling!
One day. At level 90.
saedo — Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:49One day. At level 90. lol
I'm surprised you don't have
Freakshow (not verified) — Sat, 06/14/2008 - 12:44I'm surprised you don't have all that already Saedo.