Tuque's Wishlist
saedo — Sat, 06/14/2008 - 10:28
Since my Pally reached 70, the nerd in me started to look at possible gear upgrades. And guess what happened, I of course planned out my whole upgrade path. I'd probably never even see half this stuff, but whatever, call me a dreamer. lol
So I needed some system to rank the gear. I did find some stat weights to use on EJ so I went with that.
Healing: 1 (Base Value)
Intellect: 2.25
Spell Crit: 2.25
MP5: 4.5
Spell Haste: 2.0
Anyways, tell me of the ranks look approximately correct if you can, or if you see anything vastly wrong with the list or something I'm missing, tell me please!
Last Updated: 9/15/2008
Head: [Crystalforge Greathelm] (545.89 pts)
[Helm of Burning Righteousness] +110.0 pts (Kil'jaeden)
[Justicebringer 3000 Specs] +36.25 pts (Crafted)
[Lightbringer Greathelm] +18.25 pts (Archimonde)
[Crown of Empowered Fate] +6.0 pts (RoS)
Neck: [Emberspur Talisman] (115.5 pts)
[Brooch of the Highborne] +84.5 pts (Felmyst)
[Brooch of Nature's Mercy] +79.5 pts (Akil'zon)
[Nadina's Pendant of Purity] +73.75 pts (Shahraz)
[Guardian's Pendant of Reprieve] +58.75 pts (15300 Honor, 10 EotS)
[Sin'dorei Pendant of Salvation] +52.75 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Lord Sanguinar's Claim] +37.75 pts (Kael)
[Shattered Sun Pendant of Restoration] +34.89 pts (SSO-Aldor Exalted)
[Sin'dorei Pendant of Conquest] +26.25 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Amulet of Unfettered Magics] +25.75 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Loop of Cursed Bones] +15.5 pts (Zul'jin)
[Teeth of Gruul] +13.75 pts (Gruul)
[Archaic Charm of Presence] +11.25 pts (Doomwalker)
[Adornment of Stolen Souls] +9.25 pts (Malchezaar)
Shoulders: [Hex Lord's Voodoo Pauldrons] (234.0 pts)
[Spaulders of the Thalassian Savior] +84.0 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Lightbringer Pauldrons] +43.5 pts (Shahraz)
[Glimmering Steel Mantle] +26.25 pts (Anetheron)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Spaulders] +13.75 pts (1500 Arena + 2200 Rating)
Back: [Stainless Cloak of the Pure Hearted] (136.25 pts)
[Tattered Cape of Antonidas] +52.5 pts (Kil'jaeden)
[Shroud of Redeemed Souls] +49.25 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Shroud of the Highborne] +47.5 pts (Illidan)
[Shroud of the Final Stand] +26.75 pts (BT Trash)
[Cloak of Ancient Rituals] +9.75 pts (Hex Lord)
Chest: [Ecclesiastical Cuirass] (315.25 pts)
[Noble Judicator's Chestguard] +102.5 pts (M'uru)
[Lightbringer Chestpiece] +62.75 pts (Illidan)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Chestguard] +17.75 pts (1875 Arena + 1600 Rating)
[Crystalforge Chestpiece] +12.75 pts (Kael)
[Savior's Grasp] +2.25 pts (Archimonde)
Wrist: [Vambraces of the Naaru] (169.5 pts)
[Lightbringer Bracers] +58.5 pts (Kalecgos)
[Blessed Adamantite Bracers] +11.75 pts (Winterchill)
[Guardian's Ornamented Bracers] +6.75 pts (11794 Honor, 20 WSG, 1575 Rating)
[Dawnsteel Bracers] +2.25 pts (Crafted)
Hands: [Justicar Gloves] (192.0 pts)
[Gauntlets of the Soothed Soul] +131.0 pts (M'uru)
[Sunblessed Gauntlets] +125.75 pts (Crafted)
[Glorious Gauntlets of Crestfall] +60.25 pts (Vashj)
[Lightbringer Gloves] +38.0 pts (Azgalor)
[Crystalforge Gloves] +35.75 pts (Leotheras)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Gloves] +35.5 pts (1125 Arena) +99.45 w/100% FoL
[Handguards of the Templar] +14.0 pts (60 Badges)
[Gauntlets of Renewed Hope] +5.0 pts (Attumen)
[Merciless Gladiator's Ornamented Gloves] -13.25 pts (10500 Honor, 20 AV) +99.45 w/100% FoL
Waist: [Girdle of Stromgarde's Hope] (250.0 pts)
[Lightbringer Belt] +77.25 pts (Brutallus)
Legs: [Crystalforge Leggings] (323.5 pts)
[Legplates of the Holy Juggernaut] +106.0 pts (Kalecgos)
[Lightbringer Leggings] +42.0 pts (Council)
Feet: [Two-toed Sandals] (223.5 pts)
[Lightbringer Treads] +105.75 pts (Felmyst)
[Pearl Inlaid Boots] +20.25 pts (Naj'entus)
[Guardian's Ornamented Greaves] +6.75 pts (17850 Honor, 40 EotS, 1700 Rating)
Finger: [Band of Eternity] Healer Friendly (140.5 pts), [Anveena's Touch] (158.25 pts)
[Ring of Flowing Life] +82.5 pts (Crafted)
[Band of Lucent Beams] +68.75 pts (Kalecgos)
[Blessed Band of Karabor] +64.5 pts (BT Trash)
[Band of the Eternal Restorer] +63.64 pts (Hyjal Exalted)
[Signet of the Quiet Forest] +55.75 pts (3rd Timed Chest)
[Ring of Omnipotence] +42.5 pts (M'uru)
[Ring of Calming Waves] +38.25 pts (Naj'entus)
[Band of Eternity] +24.75 pts (Hyjal Revered)
[Loop of Forged Power] +16.5 pts (Crafted)
[Phoenix-Ring of Rebirth] +13.5 pts (Al'ar)
[Band of Eternity] +10.75 (Hyjal Honored)
[Naaru Lightwarden's Band] +6.75 pts (Magtheridon)
[Ring of Ancient Knowledge] +5.5 pts (BT Trash)
Trinkets: [Essence of the Martyr] (133.5 pts), [Scarab of the Infinite Cycle] (155.33 pts)
[Memento of Tyrande] +174.5 pts (Illidan)
[Glimmering Naaru Sliver] +135.5 pts (M'uru)
[Shifting Naaru Sliver] +27.84 pts (M'uru)
[Sextant of Unstable Currents] +19.83 pts (Fathom-Lord)
[Tome of Diabolic Remedy] +13.5 pts (Hex Lord)
[Pendant of the Violet Eye] +11.62 pts (Aran) (FoL: +26.31 pts)
Librams: [Blessed Book of Nagrand] +79.0 FoL, [Libram of Souls Redeemed] +120.0 HL + 60.0 FoL w/BoL, [Libram of Mending] +99.0 HL Weaving
[Libram of Absolute Truth] +306.0 HL (Lurker)
[Libram of Light] +4.0 FoL (Noth)
Off Hand: [Enamelled Disc of Mojo] (151.75 pts)
[Aegis of Angelic Fortune] +27.0 pts (M'uru)
[Felstone Bulwark] +20.25 pts (Supremus)
Main Hand: [Dark Blessing] (533.75 pts)
[Hammer of Sanctification] +183.75 pts (Kil'jaeden)
[Archon's Gavel] +94.25 pts (Eredar Twins)
[Brutal Gladiator's Salvation] +22.5 pts (3150 Arena, 2050 Rating)
[Crystal Spire of Karabor] +13.0 pts (Illidan)
[Hammer of Atonement] +8.25 pts (Kaz'rogal)
[Lightfathom Scepter] +3.75 pts (Vashj)
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Rep:
[Band of the Eternal Restorer] +63.64 pts (Hyjal Exalted)
[Shattered Sun Pendant of Restoration] +34.89 pts (SSO-Aldor Exalted)
[Band of Eternity] +24.75 pts (Hyjal Revered)
[Band of Eternity] +10.75 pts(Hyjal Honored)
Crafted:
[Sunblessed Gauntlets] +125.75 pts
[Ring of Flowing Life] +81.0 pts
[Justicebringer 3000 Specs] +36.25 pts
[Loop of Forged Power] +16.5 pts
[Dawnsteel Bracers] +2.25 pts (Crafted)
Heroic Badges (includes pts/badge factor):
[Handguards of the Templar] +14.0 pts (60 Badges 0.23)
PVP:
[Guardian's Pendant of Reprieve] +58.75 pts (15300 Honor, 10 EotS)
[Guardian's Ornamented Greaves] +6.75 pts (17850 Honor, 40 EotS, 1700 Rating)
[Guardian's Ornamented Bracers] +6.75 pts (11794 Honor, 20 WSG, 1575 Rating)
[Merciless Gladiator's Ornamented Gloves] -13.25 pts (10500 Honor, 20 AV) +99.45 w/100% FoL
Arena:
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Gloves] +35.5 pts (1125 Arena) +99.45 w/100% FoL
[Brutal Gladiator's Salvation] +22.5 pts (3150 Arena, 2050 Rating)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Chestguard] +17.75 pts (1875 Arena + 1600 Rating)
[Brutal Gladiator's Ornamented Spaulders] +13.75 pts (1500 Arena + 2200 Rating)
Karazhan:
[Pendant of the Violet Eye] +11.62 pts (Aran) (FoL: +26.31 pts)
[Adornment of Stolen Souls] +9.25 pts (Malchezaar)
[Gauntlets of Renewed Hope] +5.0 pts (Attumen)
Zul'Aman:
[Brooch of Nature's Mercy] +79.5 pts (Akil'zon)
[Signet of the Quiet Forest] +55.75 pts (3rd Timed Chest)
[Tome of Diabolic Remedy] +19.25 pts (Hex Lord)
[Loop of Cursed Bones] +15.5 pts (Zul'jin)
[Cloak of Ancient Rituals] +9.75 pts (Hex Lord)
Gruul's Lair:
[Teeth of Gruul] +13.75 pts (Gruul)
Magtheridon:
[Naaru Lightwarden's Band] +6.75 pts
Serpentshrine Caverns:
[Libram of Absolute Truth] +306.0 HL (Lurker)
[Glorious Gauntlets of Crestfall] +60.25 pts (Vashj)
[Crystalforge Gloves] +35.75 pts (Leotheras)
[Sextant of Unstable Currents] +19.83 pts (Fathom-Lord)
[Lightfathom Scepter] +3.75 pts (Vashj)
Tempest Keep:
[Lord Sanguinar's Claim] +37.75 pts (Kael)
[Phoenix-Ring of Rebirth] +13.5 pts (Al'ar)
[Crystalforge Chestpiece] +12.75 pts (Kael)
The impromtu Lava Crab Mount
saedo — Wed, 08/06/2008 - 21:40The impromtu Lava Crab Mount Run: http://wowwebstats.com/drfnr16ovqgue
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So, I want to increase the
saedo — Wed, 07/30/2008 - 11:30So, I want to increase the value of spell haste in my weights. But still want to logicially and mathematically come to that conclusion. So here's what I've come up with. How much more healing spells I'd throw out based on the average amount I heal atm.
Looking at the last 3 raid parses I have of myself for Holy Lights: Avg = AvgHeal * (1 - crit) + AvgCrit * crit
For Flash of Lights:
So Avg heal per cast:
Avg for 3 raids = 2904.563708
Using the same logic as before with 1% more haste = 1% more casts = 1% more heals.
Haste Weight = 2904.563708 / 100 / 15.77 = 1.84
So this look will increase my haste. But it also means that as I gear up, haste will probably scale up more and more. I'd probably have to look back from time to time to readjust the weight and one day perhaps see haste being the best stat.
As a side note, for haste to be worth as much as say, crit in my weights, I'd have to heal on avg per cast: 2.25*15.77*100 = 3548.25
Def possible if I don't FoL!
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Here's the parse from Star's
saedo — Tue, 07/29/2008 - 16:15Here's the parse from Star's KZ: http://wowwebstats.com/i3satqlecdrjg
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Parse from that bit of ZA
saedo — Sun, 07/27/2008 - 07:26Parse from that bit of ZA last night: http://wowwebstats.com/5ytsrbaser2tg
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A parse from a random Drewpy
saedo — Sat, 07/26/2008 - 00:04A parse from a random Drewpy KZ earlier today, I only entered in the 2nd half.
http://wowwebstats.com/cukarjb4jahu5
Feedbackz welcome plx!
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I have macros for all of my
Jayel — Tue, 07/22/2008 - 10:23I have macros for all of my heals that use my trinkets and abilities.
Saedo and fluster were doing a great job of healing so I spent more time then usual watching grid and timing heals for when the hots were leaving or when someone else was taking damage.
Wow I only got 8 heals off on Illhoof before I died... stupid bubble had about 10secs left from the Aran fight.
Oh and Aidin LC has a 1m CD and Essence has a 2m CD fyi =P
Sounds like its time to get
Dragon — Tue, 07/22/2008 - 08:34Sounds like its time to get 2 weapons and spellsurge twist then :D
There is no Emotion; There is Peace.
There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge.
There is no Passion; There is Serenity.
There is no Death; There is The Force.
~Jedi Code
Yea there used to be a macro
saedo — Tue, 07/22/2008 - 09:14Yea there used to be a macro people used doing that. But with the interrupt spell cast on equip exchange feature introduced this patch, made those ppl angry. lol Well, need 2 equal weapons for that anyways.
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But it has a 50 sec internal
saedo — Tue, 07/22/2008 - 00:57But it has a 50 sec internal CD nowadays from what I read. So it doesn't really matter it can proc off anything. It just won't proc at all for "long" periods of time cause of the CD.
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What makes spellsurge so
Dragon — Tue, 07/22/2008 - 00:52What makes spellsurge so powerful is the fact that it procs off just about everything. I am not for certain but I think it can even proc off your meta proccing. Or possibly off your HL libram proc assuming you use the badge HL libram. I know for certain that it procs off buffs etc.
GO GO SPELLSURGE
There is no Emotion; There is Peace.
There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge.
There is no Passion; There is Serenity.
There is no Death; There is The Force.
~Jedi Code
So I've been thinking about
saedo — Tue, 07/22/2008 - 00:47So I've been thinking about weapon enchants and it seems to come down to 3 choices.
81 Healing - Fuckin expensive mats! Like 600g worth!
30 Int - A 85.8 point enchant with my stat weights and only bout 50g worth.
Spellsurge - About 250g worth of mats. Now here's where it gets interesting. From what I've read, 15% proc rate, on a 50 sec internal CD, giving you 100 mana.
Some simple math works out to be about 10 mp5 assuming you can spam cast to proc it off each CD at least.
Back to stat weights I use. That's a 45 pointer. So by itself, not worth it. However, in a group, that'd be a 90/135/180/225 pointer if I include the mp5 for them. But of course not really those numbers cause they'd value mp5 differently from me.
Still, raid wide or something, this might be worth considering to do. I'm not sure.
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Well I think I'll just put
saedo — Mon, 07/21/2008 - 17:44Well I think I'll just put parses involving me in this thread. Since it's all for self-analysis and critismsms!!!! lol
Atar's Random KZ Part Deux: http://wowwebstats.com/i1vj64d5j4m33
P.S. Need tips on how to do betta! Plx! <3
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Tips to be betta?? I'd say
Aidin — Tue, 07/22/2008 - 08:29Tips to be betta?? I'd say you're doing really really well.
1. You stomped a resto druid ...this could be that you're really really awesome...OR...you sniped Cori's HoTs. Do you monitor HoTs on Grid at all? Us pallies historically have "stolen" many many heals from the druids, grid has allowed them to shine when the pallies don't use their quick heals to snipe.
2. 34% HL crit is hot man...HOT.
3. Your Shock crits for 2% more then your FoL, yet you only used it 12 times. Jayel only twice...tisk tisk Jay! lol
4. Trinket/Ability pops look good! Did you bind them to FoL, HL and HS? Looks like Jay doesn't have em binded! Only 23 Essense pops to you 44 LC Prayer.
To Vash now..gogogogo!! Role reversal!! Pally gone rogue, and rogue gone pally! Let's pwn a side backwards style! lol
As a healer...it's not as easy to find out where your faults are as it is for a rogue who let his CDs fall off, or didn't use his/her abilities properly. As a healer it's "You heal X" ...did X die? No...YOU WIN. lol
Yea Kael p2 sucked. Trash
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 14:59Yea Kael p2 sucked. Trash that stuns every few seconds sucked. lol
H Mr T gogo saedo. Too bad
Dragon — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 14:56H Mr T gogo saedo. Too bad the place sucks nuts for pally healers.
Rogue still needs reg to unlock heroic but other than that I'll run with ya :D
There is no Emotion; There is Peace.
There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge.
There is no Passion; There is Serenity.
There is no Death; There is The Force.
~Jedi Code
I bet it could, you have to
Dragon — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 14:45I bet it could, you have to find out what it says in the combat log though because I hear it does NOT show up as Vial of the Sunwell in the combat log. Read that it came up as Vessel of the Naruu
There is no Emotion; There is Peace.
There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge.
There is no Passion; There is Serenity.
There is no Death; There is The Force.
~Jedi Code
Or just read your buff list.
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 14:49Or just read your buff list.
Sorry for hyjacking this
Dragon — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 12:02Sorry for hyjacking this thread for a moment but I figured it would be a good place to ask Garreth a Holy Paladin (and slightly healing in general) question.
The instant heal trinket outta H Mr T. What would you think about binding that trinket's heal to like say holy shock (or in my priest's case PoM).
It just struck me as with them both be instant it would at least on a paladin come close to an instant cast Holy Light R11
There is no Emotion; There is Peace.
There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge.
There is no Passion; There is Serenity.
There is no Death; There is The Force.
~Jedi Code
There are two ways, for me,
garreth — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 14:14There are two ways, for me, to use the [Vial of the Sunwell] effectively.
1) The first is to macro it ONLY to Holy Shock. If you're using Holy Shock pretty frequently, then this gives you some really solid OOPH! to that instant cast spell. Would be great for trash since you'd get a Holy Light equivalent Holy Shock every two minutes.
2) The second is to just blow it every time it's up like all auto-use trinket macros. Since the buff persists on you through death, you'd almost always have charges saved up that would then be released every two minutes. So you'd get a massive heal every two minutes, no matter what you do.
I'd like a mod that gives a cool indicator of the charges and reminds you to blow it.
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Can ClassTimers do it?
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 14:36Can ClassTimers do it? Well not the reminding part, but keep track of charges. I always add custom timers to it like my trinkets so I see em tick down.
Meta Gem Analysis I
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 11:12Meta Gem Analysis
I previously did some scratch work on [Insightful Earthstorm Diamond] but I think I lost the paper and forgot what I did. Well, here's to documenting it!
From what I've read, it's 5% chance on proc for 300 mana off *any* spell casts. That's any heals, any CD popping, any buffs, any bandaging, etc, and even off Illumination itself it seems.
So to make this a bit simple, analysis will do it for straight chain casting Holy Lights, then Flash of Lights.
Holy Light
Assuming 1000 HLs with Light's Grace already active. That's 1000x2.0 = 2000 sec.
5% of those will proc it, so 0.05x1000x300 = 15000 mana
But it procs off other crap too so, there are a lot more "casts".
Divine Favor, 120 sec CD: 2000/120 = 16.67 casts
Divine lllumination, 180 sec CD: 2000/180 = 11.11 casts
Illumination: Currently I'm at 27.34% crit for HL so, 0.2734x1000 = 273.4 casts
But also, Divine Favor would proc Illumination which procs the gem so that'll double up on it: 16.67 casts
Total Casts: 1317.84 casts in 2000 seconds
5% will proc it so: 0.05x1317.84x300 = 19767.6667 mana
MP5 = 19787.667 / 2000 * 5 = 49.42 MP5
Flash of Light
Assuming 1000 FoL. That's 1000x1.5 = 1500 sec.
5% of those will proc it, so 0.05x1000x300 = 15000 mana
Divine Favor = 1500 / 120 = 12.5 casts x 2
Divine lllumination = 1500 / 180 = 8.33 casts
Illumination: Currently I'm at 21.34% crit for FoL so, 0.2134x1000 = 213.4 casts
Total Casts: 1246.73 casts in 1500 seconds
5% will proc it so: 0.05x1246.76x300 = 18701 mana
MP5 = 18701 / 1500 * 5 = 62.34 MP5
Well these are the values I get for mathimatically perfect chain casting spells with CD usage and average proc rates. Real, um I mean game usage will probably diminish it due to stopping, moving, mana conservation, etc.
But anyways, anyone see anything particularly wrong with the numbers or the logic behind em?
In a 10 minute Hydross fight
garreth — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 11:42In a 10 minute Hydross fight we had, I spammed everything I had and pretty much only cast Flash of Light. This means Illumination and Divine Favor were blown the moment they were up. I came out to about 22.5 mp5:
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=25901#comments:id=126956
Still ridiculously good and the ONLY meta paladins should consider. Even better, it also adds raw base mana, about 4 +heal and a fraction of a spell crit.
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Yea I saw that. But 2
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 11:48Yea I saw that. But 2 things.
First, looks like you made that post in patch 2.1.3, when the proc rate was 2%.
In 2.3, it's been reported at least, not sure if anyone actually did the real experiments to confirm, the proc rate was increased to 5%.
2.5x better proc rate, 22.5x2.5 = 56.25 mp5? Well seems close to the numbers I have assuming relatively normal luck and correct proc rates. Above the HL number and below the FoL number since in "reality" you do cast both rather than chaining one only.
Second, that report is long expired, and wanted to see number of casts. But oh well.
Hmmmmm... my numbers were
garreth — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 11:44Hmmmmm... my numbers were from the 2.1.3 patch and it appears that they buffed the hell out of this in the 2.3 patch. So your figures are probably closer, Saedo.
Fuck yeah!!
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Haha yea. Was just posting
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 11:50Haha yea. Was just posting that. lol No other meta gem comes close to this now it seems cause of it, for pally at least.
Well, just posting to mark a
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 01:05Well, just posting to mark a milestone. I no longer wear any greens. lol
Ok this week I got macros and stuff but haven't the time to do a whole lot. Just a few minor upgrades. Anyways, I'm getting awefully tempted in getting that [Libram of Mending]. I find with Rank 9 I would be using HL a lot more just to keep up with the damage. Should I give in? Or hold off for less of a regen upgrade and more of a healing upgrade?
Or maybe I should replace those boots first. In terms of badge efficiency it's not as big as the belt, but still a sizable upgrade. Argh, so much stuff to get, what to do... what to do... lol
Crud, I just found out
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 14:51Crud, I just found out [Lower City Prayerbook] shares the exact same CD. So can't pop em both, that was obvious, but can't chain em like one after another like I thought it would. This probably gimps the 2nd one now and I may have to wear that green trinket again. lol
Well used an interesting
saedo — Mon, 07/14/2008 - 15:09Well used an interesting feature of the site, Revisions! Managed to pull my old list of trinkets and redid calcs for another trinket I had. All is well again. Though I'm sad I must vendor that 2nd [Lower City Prayerbook] without much use. lol
Dunno about you but
Dragon — Mon, 07/07/2008 - 17:28Dunno about you but something crapped out on my Classtimers last time i ran the updates via WAU
There is no Emotion; There is Peace.
There is no Ignorance; There is Knowledge.
There is no Passion; There is Serenity.
There is no Death; There is The Force.
~Jedi Code
Totally new version
garreth — Mon, 07/07/2008 - 17:30Totally new version released. Type /classtimers (or /ct, can't remember) and set it back up. I had mine running again in about 5 minutes.
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