Last night was our fourth raid in a row where we did not have enough dps signed on. There have absolutely been caster dps slots open this last week. I'm ready to give you a spot in our raid under the following conditions:

1) Don't be a dick. Not saying you are, but don't be one once you get here.
2) No loot for three weeks. Yarly. I want to see if you can raid with people outside of loot for awhile. If it's going to NRP, we'll of course toss it to you, but as it stands I'd like to see you pass for three weeks.
3) Everyone hates server transfers and shammies. You are both. It's an uphill battle, my friend. Prove to us why you rock and why you are here for the community and not just for the raid. A person that has done this well so far is Luczilla. Ask him for pointers :)
4) Understand that it is highly likely you'll get sat a night or two per week. This is a massive transition and you'll need to be patient.
5) Understand that I have an itchy gkick finger after the last server transfers. I will not allow that bullshit to happen again.
6) You need to be online for ALL raids. I'm not going to ginvite a server transfer for the one or two nights they can actually be online. Four nights a week.

Catch me on your toon on gorg tonight. We're doing Sunwell Tuesday and Wednesday with BT cleanup Friday. It will be BT or Sunwell on Monday. Be prepared to wipe. Know Kalecgos, Brutallus and Felmyst inside and out. Be prepared to wipe. Bring all your consumables. Let's get this moving.

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 I'll put this plain and short. If you would read everything you would have had no need to write what you did.

Thursday 8/28/08

“As i said i enjoy BT but I want to continue my progression rather than backtrack. So i have no problem with doing bt, hyjal or any other raid but i do want to see new things =).”

Also in my app i said i enjoy helping people and that i enjoy BT.

(im not being a dick here, just kinda messing around, but seriously LTR before you attack somebody. Thats some advice that will go a long way in life.)

Calm and non inflammitory answers to some forthright questions...I like that.

Yes, I like to heal. No, I've never been shadow.

Well the extra thing you'd bring is Totem of Wrath, perhaps another Heroism.   Though they can only be used once every 5 min next patch, so prob at most used 2 shamans can cover it, but perhaps that thinking too far ahead.   Otherwise resto shamans bring the rest of the stuff anyways.

The thing more is that yea it's not gonna cost us much really, but hope you're aware it'd prob be a risk.   Here's how guild apps on our server are handled.    They basically only get called upon to fill in for some random raid once or twice a week, or maybe even less.   In the meantime, hang out, talk on forums, raid a bit, everyone gets to know each other, and months later through some lethargic process eventually makes it in if they don't fail anywhere along the way.

Being the server transfer, don't really have that luxury.  Jumping to this server forces that 3 month commitment in a strange new land.   All for a shot at something that's not totally guarenteed.    The core gets in first and the only way to sneak in is through the actions of just being available, consistent, reliable, good, etc.   And making us forget about those flakey ones that just aren't.

Well, we'll see I guess!

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We run with anywhere from 3-6 shamans.

That said, "words are just words" but they're also all you've got going for you right now, so they carry a bit more weight than you're giving them. 

As much as I want to see an elemental shaman in raid, don't we have people that joined months ago that are still not really getting invites? How can we promiss him a spot when we cant promiss our core?

Don't wanna waste the guys time / money transfering only to get invited on the off chance we're missing a bunch of people. And being guaranteed a raid spot right off the bat isn't fair to some of the raiders... who'd he replace?

I know there will be room in our bt/hyjal nights, but our sunwell nights... when all 5 of our wonderful warlocks, all 3 of our rogues, all 3 hunters, 4 mages (er well, 3 and a moonkin now). Can't fit em all... Who'd be subbed out? I'd die for an ele shammy in my group :3 but is he actually gonna get invited to the raids? lol

I'm not sold, sorry.

My question is this; If it is so difficult to transfer (expensive etc) your main here to then find out you may not get to raid Sunwell for several months why have you not looked into other guilds on the server you are currently on?  I'm assuming there is more than one guild on your server attacking Sunwell?  Getting into Downfall and getting to raid with Downfall are usually two very seperate events so I'm wondering what will happen to you if you come here and find yourself lacking contacts/alts/and raids?

Yes, I like to heal. No, I've never been shadow.

umm. uhh. you sound kinda like a prick. just honest opinion. If you are a prick you should maybe move on and not waste our time. The guild officers will decide when if and what raid you would be going with. if not having control over that is going to be a problem you should probably keep walking.

again just commenting on how you represent yourself in your app.

Disclaimer: I am not a guild officer and my views are not the views of downfall or any of its officers.

Secretary vice president to the vice president's secretary of the department of redundancy department

yeah i was wondering what happened.. i edited the app cause i noticed a typo lol.

Shihli I see your point and you guys are lucky. On Arthas guilds have always had issues with breaking up. So here is my guild story. Pre BC i left my first raiding guild "The Legendary" a MC raiding guild, the guild ended up splitting because an officer auto looted the priest staff part out chest in MC. I left for a guild called "Ruin" which broke up after we couldnt get past vaelistraze (oh i know i messed that spelling up). Back when Arthas was on old hardware when pulling Nef or Vael guild had to warn others because of the 30 second lag spike it caused. After Ruin split about 5 of us went to a guild called "Temperance" here i stayed, cleared BWL and saw the first boss of aq40. The summer before TBC came out Temperance, Ret, solid out and a few other guilds left Arthas for Mal'Ganas. I remained on Arthas. In TBC the only two guilds i raided with were Security and NvM. While in NvM i first raided on my warlock Ballerfree. My shaman was in the guild Security and i raided with both. I ended up going camping for a month and lost my spot in Security, took the shaman back to NvM and converted it to my main. I have left NvM due to being stressed out as an officer and a change in my real life job and school. I have an open invite back to NvM but due to raid times that no longer work for me i have started to look to PST servers.

 To the question of the raid team. I am looking to pick up raiding where i left off which is with Brut down and on the way to Felmyst. That is why this is the only guild on your server i have apped to. (actually the only app i have up right now, anywhere) I wouldn't mind starting out in the Illidan raid at first because obviously i have to prove myself and Sunwell is no joke where you bring people you dont know, but i want to be recurited with the intent to be on the Sunwell team if i prove myself as a valuable raid slot.

To  Gares - I will be running a ZA or Kara soon to get a WWS up. Obviously my numbers will be higher in 25 mans because of more buffs and the fact that i often find myself threat capped in 10 mans.

I said this before but you may have missed it. im 2/8 t6 resto with 22XX+ healing and 235 haste unbuffed.

Along with Gares' question, I'll add on to it:

How do you feel about joining a raid that is just now learning Illidan instead of, say, learning Felmyst?

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"Yes; analogies, it turns out, can sometimes be used to draw parallels between things that are not exactly the same." - Ratgirl