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Teach me to be Better!

Gnomorals — Wed, 06/10/2009 - 16:22

As most of you know from Esko's post, This toon is Young. I have been Raiding with him for close to 2 months, Soon as I get a spec down Blizz. seems to Nerf or Change it.. Im currently 0/13/58 and Cant seem to get my dps to put out the numbers I was back before Memorial Day as 0/40/31.

First off these numbers are comming from a Training Dummy, Im getting around 3200 dps with self buffs.

My Rotation is CoE, Immo, Conflag, CB, Incinerate..

At first I noticed I was clipping Immolate alot, So caught onto that, but my Numbers didnt really Improve much. Im using DoTimer and several other Addons to help my Rotations but I still cant seem to get the numbers up.

So this comes to my Gear

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Gnomorals

If you can take a loot and let me know what I Need to fix here, and dont be easy on me... Let me know if im fucking up.

Thanks.

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Im Back

Gnomorals — Sun, 08/02/2009 - 19:08

Well, I finally gave in and sold my boat to buy a new computer.. Its nothing special

Pentium Duel Core 2.60 Ghz Processor, 6 GB Ram, 750 GB Hard Drive, ATI Radeon HD 4650 Graphics Card.

Im running around 50 fps now in Dalaran, up from 7 - 13 fps. Seems to be alot easier on my gaming thats for sure, But I still cant seem to get over 4k dps.. but that was in a pug 25 man OS....

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Two happiest days in a boat

garreth — Mon, 08/03/2009 - 00:19

Two happiest days in a boat owners' life:

  1. Day he buys the boat
  2. Day he sells it
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New icon

Vitriola — Mon, 08/03/2009 - 05:47

I see that you have embraced the image.  So, is your gnome dk even suckier than mine?  :)

After all this Obsessing and

Gnomorals — Fri, 06/12/2009 - 01:21

After all this Obsessing and Pulling my hair out, I think I have figured out why my dps sucks so bad..

The fact that Im currently playing with 15 fps in 25s and 150 - 180 Latency (With the Fix).. &^%* My Life!

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The latency isn't terrible,

garreth — Fri, 06/12/2009 - 11:04

The latency isn't terrible, but the frame rate is.  Talk to Grasen or I about cheap computer upgrades.  We got Seraphatalia, Grasen and Shortlived from single digit frame rates in raid to 50+ frame rates.  And their dps and effectiveness went up exponentially. 

My other PC took a crap on me

Gnomorals — Fri, 06/12/2009 - 12:56

My other PC took a crap on me a few months back and I was playing on a laptop for a good 3 months, Then I ended up getting my hands on the tower im using now wich was a minor upgrade..

Its a stock HP a6600f

Intel Pentium 2.2 ghz, 3 gigs ram, 320gig hard drive, with vista 64 bit

Im still running off the stock graphics wich is only a Nvidia Geforce 7100 I believe lol.. But I cant really afford to put a bunch of money into it.. really I just need a larger power supply to support a better graphics card.. and the graphics card of course.

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One thing I wanna say is

saedo — Thu, 06/11/2009 - 09:38

One thing I wanna say is Magic Numbers are just numbers.   They could be something you strive for in the long term.    But be aware to not sacrifice everything for them.    

Copying other people is not always the best idea.   They have their raid, their stats, their gear that got them where they are.    You might not have those resources.

Anyways, use Rawr, which apparently you never did before even though this whole crew was supposedly reading up on EJ about their own class.....................................................................................................................    

Rawr

Gnomorals — Thu, 06/11/2009 - 12:35

Yeah, I dunno why I never happened to come across RAWR before..  But It seems to pretty much be the answers to most of my questions so thanks for turning me towards it.. Its definitly a must for everyone, Im still getting used to it but it pretty much helped me rule out the rotation bit. Its mainly my gear thats holding me back at the moment.

Thanks for helping me.

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Currently you appear to be 19

saedo — Wed, 06/10/2009 - 17:28

Currently you appear to be 19 hit rating off the cap.    If you move the Dragon's Eye from the helm to the blue slot in the pants (granting you +6 hit rating socket bonus), and put a [Rigid Autumn's Glow] in the helm's place, that would give you 22 hit rating.   2 over capped, but that's as close as you'd get.   Or just do a 16 hit for one of your red sp ones and be 3 under the cap, which imo is close enough.

Either or.

As for rotations, I'd still be careful on a Target Dummy.   They're def shit for dps, and better for rotations, but...   In raid, you should get more spell haste and stuff, so that will affect rotations.

 

Kk, I took your advice and

Gnomorals — Wed, 06/10/2009 - 20:33

Kk, I took your advice and replaced my Dragons Eye in my Helm with Rigid Autumn's Glow and threw a Runed Dragons Eye in my Legs for that +6 hit socket Bonus..

One thing Im wondering is exactly how much Crit I really need with 0/13/58 before I start to worry about Haste.

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more lock pointers

moriella — Wed, 06/10/2009 - 21:42

Glyph lifetap.  SImulations show that you should keep this glyph until you are heavily geared into 226 ilvl gear.  Your 4 piece+glyph is that good.  Even after you get the gear, dropping lifetap is only marginally better.  TLDR :   Keep tapping for a while.  Check out the lifetap mod I posted in the other thread.

Haste > Crit.  Not 'how much crit BEFORE i worry about haste.  Shoot for 20% crit unbuffed or so.  Haste should be as high as you can get it.  In t7.5 gear 650ish haste was a good number. 

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I can't say for sure about

Scaron — Thu, 06/11/2009 - 08:32

I can't say for sure about what was possible for T7.5 but it seems 650 haste is a LOT higher than other warlocks (among the best in the game) have currently. Fallenman is sitting at 450 base haste, while Supplicium is at 569 (Supplicium shows the value of taking the two handed staff [Icecore Staff] w/ a whopping 93 haste).

The thing is, Supplicium's crit is at around 16.5%. Sacrificed crit for haste (a good call IMO). Fallenman has lower haste, but is still sitting at about 20% crit.

Honestly, while 650 haste and 20% crit would be great numbers to shoot for, I wonder if they're possible.

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t8 haste

moriella — Thu, 06/11/2009 - 10:38

Yes, I think haste was reduced for t8 gear.  I used the 650 in t7 as an example because in t7, locks were stacking it that high.  Blizz designed t8 with less haste, so you will not see it get as high as it was before.  You should get it as high as possible now.

However, this does illustrate again just how haste > crit.

There is a thread here somewhere started by tankard in t7 gear asking to get his dps up on patch.  I helped him on that and we found the key was haste.  Research showed top 20 guild warlocks were leading dps on patch with about 650 haste.  Once tankard adjusted his gear, dropped his crit, raised his haste he was hitting 6500 on patch.  Some locks were topping 7k on patch.

I installed the Lifetapper

Gnomorals — Wed, 06/10/2009 - 23:02

I installed the Lifetapper Addon but it doesnt seem to work.. I have played around with the settings and have battletext set to Blizz combat text but I get no warnings or sound..

Another thing, If i were to replace one of my Glyphs with Life Tap would I replace, Immolate or Incinerate Glyph?

And for the Haste, is that base haste? cause I have Elemental Focus Stone, wich I think has about a 40% proc if I remember correctly.. Thanks for taking ur time to help me out.

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base haste

moriella — Thu, 06/11/2009 - 04:09

Thats base haste.

I've not installed and played with lifetapper yet.  I'll try to figure it out in the next few days, I just know that the concept and function of the addon  would really help most players.  Perhaps another lock can come to the rescue and figure out how to set this up?

Go 3/13/55 with lifetap/incinerate/conflag glyphs if you have 4pc T7. If you have 2pc T8 swap to 0/13/58 and use incinerate/conflag/immolate glyphs. If you don't have the hit gear to support 0/13/58, you should still be running 3/13/55

Lifetap is pretty effective.  I'm recommending the addon just now, as I dont see any of our locks using it as much as they need to.  I think a week or two of raiding with it will improve uptime and get you used to casting it. 

However :

"For destro locks especially, don't LT to keep the glyph buff up. Conflag every CD, the extra damage from doing it more often plus the additional haste effect you get is invaluable. Also, curse after conflags to possibly get a pyroclasm on it for an additional 6% damage.

Best rotation I've found is:

LT (if you're using the glyph) Immo, Conflag, CB, CoD, Incin till Conflag is ready, Conflag, Incin till Immolate has less than 1.3 secs on it (with my haste that's how long it takes to cast), Immo, CB (they'll come up next to each other within 1 secs), Incin till conflag is ready, rinse and repeat. Life tap while moving, or as needed.

Basically, it's order of best damage, not a real rotation per se." - Netfelix at EJ

You have to move alot on most fights - LT when you move or as needed.  The addon is just recommended to get you used to it.

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This rocks man.  Our locks

garreth — Wed, 06/10/2009 - 16:29

This rocks man.  Our locks (and Saedo/Mori) will be here shortly.

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