Cataclysm Information and Discussion
garreth — Fri, 08/21/2009 - 13:30
Here it is, folks: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/cataclysm/
Let's use this as a unified place to discuss what is likely to be the most disruptive expansion yet!
Yes, I'm rolling a Worgen. No, I'm not a Furry.


New lore info:
saedo — Mon, 09/28/2009 - 11:34New lore info: http://www.wow.com/2009/09/27/cataclysm-starting-zone-lore-and-other-new...
Question
Kwondre — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 11:25What circumstances could cause the game to be over?
What is the true "end-game"? Or does it just go on forever and ever?
+ points for lore-based answers
When it's no longer
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 11:35When it's no longer profitable.
Though lore wise, the true end game is probably has to be Sargaras himself. Not some broken wandering soul version of him. Full power, Titan body and armies of the Burning Legion with him.
At that point, we'd likely have to be joining forces with the Titans themselves. The Pantheon, and Aman'Thul will be requesting our aid! It likely can't take place on Azeroth itself. Probably invading their strongholds in the Twisting Nether itself to take him out once and for all.
Sargeras the Realm Wiper? I
Kwondre — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 12:06Sargeras the Realm Wiper?
I always thought Arthas would be the end-game, but that's just the nub in me I suppose. Functionality and gameplay wise, I'm excited about cataclysm...but lore wise, does anyone else find it a let-down that the main end-boss is for all intents and purposes a ressurected "old" boss from a previous encounter? Classic was merely a setback?
BTW, The Battle of Gilneas seems like an AWESOME BG if it is what I think it will be, that is a combination of WoW and Call of Duty/other FPS games where you're trekking in and out of buildings and cover shooting/fighting in close quarters - setting up ambushes and what not.
We never faced Deathwing
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 12:25We never faced Deathwing before. Only the rumors of his possible death or imprisonment and then later confirmations that he's been planning something in the backgrounds.
We defeated his son and daughter, Nefarion and Onyxia. And they're both making a comeback. Along with Ragnaros. And Vancleef and Arugal for that matter! lol
P.S. In some speculation I did months ago (before 3.1 was revealed) /node/5520 I did think of a possiblity with Deathwing as an expansion. I thought he'd change Azeroth's map somehow, but Blizz is doing it far beyond what I considered lol Also, I seemed to also have half-jokingly said Ragnaros would return (though in another manner).
Yeah man, I honestly wanted
Agoney — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:38Yeah man, I honestly wanted to face deathwing since the whole BWL area... normally I don't like how blizzard may or may not reuse old content/ideas, but I like how they're going to completely change/reconfigure the old lands from classic. Thoses places are so dead, unless your ganking or power leveling you have little reason to even return to those lands (not talking about the major cities of course).
I'm also happy they're
Agoney — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:41I'm also happy they're finally doing something with grim batol.. I dont know much about lore but was always mad there was this giant area of the map and it was unused.
It used to be the home of the
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:54It used to be the home of the Wildhammer Dwarves. But after their civil war, the place was tainted with evil so they packed up and moved north to Aerie Peak.
Later, it became where Deathwing got the orcs to use the Demon Soul to imprison/enslave Alextrazsa (red dragon queen) to breed red dragons for orc use. And allowing Deathwing to steal some eggs for his own purposes (brought to Outland and became the Netherwing).
After a rag tag group of heroes rescued her and all and destroyed the Demon Soul. Alextrazsa, Malygos, Nozdormu, and Ysera teamed up to take Deathwing down.
After that, no one knew what happened. Only that the Red Dragons are keeping a close watch on the place. Rumors that Deathwing could be imprisoned in there.
Well, this now we know Deathwing made it a base for the Twilight Hammer, and get to go bust up that place!
"With the release of the
everstar — Tue, 08/25/2009 - 10:39"With the release of the novel Night of the Dragon, following that of WotLK, it was confirmed that Deathwing resides within the deepest chasms of Grim Batol, continuing his experiments on a new brood to replace his black dragonflight, dubbed "twilight" dragons.
The proximity of the expansion's and novel's release dates, combined with the presence of twilight drakes in Obsidian Sanctum, likely foreshadows Grim Batol being launched during the WotLK expansion as a raid instance--falling into WoW's current plot (Krasus, Earthen, Rhonin) quite nicely."
The end boss is NELTHARION.
Shihli — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 12:23The end boss is NELTHARION. Deathwing.
His son is NEFARIAN. Whom we have fought before.
There is a difference.
That said, Arthas is a chump created by a lieutenant of the Burning Legion. Sargeras is definitely more powerful. Arthas is only so popular because he's basically Sephiroth:
Sephiroth Arthas
-1 for me on spelling of
Kwondre — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 12:35-1 for me on spelling of black dragonpeople's names. My bads!
Whats funny saedo, is that
Ewiges — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:13Whats funny saedo, is that since BC was announced I posted in the suggestion forums that a remake of Azeroth should be done. Flying mounts, open up the closed areas, ir greyman wall, then stuff like westfall being taken back from Defias.
Whats cool is this is finally being done and is making me more excited than any of the expansions yet.
As far as the leaked info, my friend, Q&A at blizz was saying blizzard was actually hacked and datamined for information. Not sure if the information were conference notes or what. But leaked employee information can be true too, except all that information from one person would have to be someone high up.
What I'm still wondering, since that leaked information was so accurate, if the stuff not mentioned is/was planned. It seems to me that the expansion is still really early in developement from what was shown at Blizzcon.
I was at that panel...
Torvo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 16:24They weren't "hacked", they pre-released information in patches and weren't too shy about saying it was possible to datamine it. They went on to praise the people who figured out how for how smart and dedicated they were and explained how it was done.
I guess you could say it's hacking, but if Blizz wasn't thinking of it that way I'm not sure I would either.
Maybe. It could be all
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:16Maybe. It could be all drawing board stuff that someone found. Like the Undermine / Kezan has been on drawing boards before Vanilla WoW was even released. All mmo has said about their releases were they're from "inside sources".
Here's the offical blue
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 10:36Here's the offical blue summary of Blizzcon's System Panel: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=19377972716&sid=1
"Guild Achievements Players
garreth — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:07"Guild Achievements
Players can earn achievements as a guild, with each requiring a minimum ratio of guild members to complete. We’ve also introduced new achievements that guilds can partake in. One example is becoming Grand Master in all professions."
See that magic word, "ratio". This is why I kick all the stupid, unplayed, level 20 alts. Though they'll probably make it "level 80 only characters contribute to guild ranking". Either way, I just like kicking alts.
The ratio is 75% for Boss
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 13:13The ratio is 75% for Boss Kill achievements. You get a guild achievement for that if 75% of the raid members that made the kill are in your guild.
For the Grand Master in professions, I believe they said you only need 1 of each to get that, not a ratio of the guild.
Will have to see what other achievements there are.
75% for guild achievements?
Vitriola — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 14:29How do alts figure into that?
I would guess that means if
Jayel — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 14:36I would guess that means if your alt is not in Downfall then it wont count towards the 75%. Might have to get my DK into the guild when this goes live and kick out some of the other guys I dont play so much.
No. It means, if you're in
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 14:39No. It means, if you're in a raid that kills a boss. If that particular raid has at least 75% belonging to the same guild. The rest can be pugs, apps, or whatever. Then that guild gets credit for that kill. You know, the achievement spam, "Downfall has earned the achievement [Death to Deathwing]", and all that jazz, and whatever guild experience points we earn.
It's not 75% of the entire guild must kill a boss before we get credit.
This is what I was trying to
Jayel — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 14:49This is what I was trying to say in just 1 sentence but I guess I failed =P
a 10 man that has 6 guilded people from DF and then 4 other DF alts that dont have the DF tag (or any 4 pugs) would lead to this run not being counted towards the achievement. (This is how I understand it to work)
Oh yea that would be right.
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 15:15Oh yea that would be right. 10 mans would need 8 guildies with the same guild tag. 25 mans would need 19 guildies with the same guild tag. For it all to count
ahhhh
h4mm32 — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 15:10saedo, nobo, deadhli, caronte, shurley, and lumi, contributing to that which is achievement whored. now we have a purpose......
"we only farm em so the guild gets shit.......no seriously"
Gnomeragon retaken: I saw
Ewiges — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 11:15Gnomeragon retaken: I saw this in the leaked info from the dataminers. That info is like 99% accurate, but I did not hear this at Blizzcon. Does anyone have an official on that?
I was at a panel where someone asked about Gnomer
Torvo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 17:52They didn't say anything formally or officially, just that they might have something planned for Gnomer in the future. Without the big wink-wink at the end that his voice was dripping with.
RIght, it wasn't from
saedo — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 11:24RIght, it wasn't from Blizzcon.
It wasn't datamined either (can't datamine an expansion that's not been built to release yet). It was an inside source providing all the info.
Stop reading Cataclysm
mav — Sun, 08/23/2009 - 19:17Stop reading Cataclysm information, Mavandon.
You must retain your cynicism, Mavandon.
Remember how boring Wrath got, Mavandon?
STOP BOUNCING IN YOUR CHAIR, MAVANDON.
Wrath is boring?
Shihli — Mon, 08/24/2009 - 11:17Wrath is boring?
Will the new versions of
Sargus — Sat, 08/22/2009 - 21:49Will the new versions of azeroths zone's be able to be visited by say a level 20? Or will characters that have been through northrend and outland only get to see these new versions of the zones, and the level 20, will only see the old zone-how it was pre expansion?
The change is not phasing,
saedo — Sat, 08/22/2009 - 22:14The change is not phasing, not via questing It's permanent world changing event. Basically Vanilla WoW as we know it will be gone. Even for people that don't buy expansions, they'll all be in the revised zones.