Saedo's 3.2.2 Wishlist
saedo — Sat, 09/12/2009 - 22:05
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<p>All these values are taken at level 80 assuming full buffs.</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>DPS:</strong> 9003.0 dps</li>
<li><strong>T9 4pc:</strong> +104.1 dps</li>
</ul>
<ul>
<li><strong>Str:</strong> 1.1</li>
<li><strong>Agi:</strong> 2.0922</li>
<li><strong>Crit:</strong> 1.789</li>
<li><strong>Hit:</strong> 1.6432</li>
<li><strong>Exp:</strong> 2.0193</li>
<li><strong>Haste:</strong> 1.7512</li>
<li><strong>ArP:</strong> 1.7282</li>
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<em>Last Edited: December 1st, 2009</em><br><br>
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<ul>
<li><a href="/node/7010">3.2 Wishlist</a></li>
<li><a href="/node/5752">3.1 Wishlist</a></li>
<li><a href="/node/4695">3.0 Wishlist</a></li>
<li><a href="/node/245">TBC Wishlist</a></li>
</ul>
3.3 Rogue Rant
saedo — Tue, 12/01/2009 - 14:08With 3.3 looming ever so close, I'm gonna make a rant about it. Well... More of a cheat sheet for myself so I remember what I have to do on that Tuesday.
This also means I'd highly prefer my Dedicated Insanity set to be used and d/e'd straight after! It's optimally tuned at the moment, hitting soft cap ArP with both sets! This whole re-gemming my main set of gear and changing specs will blow that away. Though maybe fine tune slightly after if needed with another 4 Cardinal Rubies, 3 Ametrine, and 3 Dragon's Eye. So hope to do it before patch, or maybe wait again after patch to re-optimize!
agreed my dedicated is just
Elapsed — Tue, 12/01/2009 - 16:38agreed my dedicated is just taking up space at the moment and gaining in size as I get better gear from 25 mans
I'd be more than happy to do
Shihli — Tue, 12/01/2009 - 16:44I'd be more than happy to do Dedicated as soon as possible, just need everyone there and everyone willing to do it.
I could have sworn you had
thottstation — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 04:38I could have sworn you had BloodFang Hood as your t9 setbreaker. Now you've got Jaraxxus' Cuirass replacing the t9 chest piece.
What happened?
It was, but it's exactly
saedo — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 11:39It was, but it's exactly because I got the 258 Jaraxxus Cuirass that I'm wearing T9 helm. This piece alone was worth using over T9.245 chest while breaking set bonus, it was about 120 dps above. However, the diff between BloodFang.245 and T9.245 is not enough to cover the T9 4pc loss. To me, Bloodfang is about a 60dps increase over T9 helm, but the T9 bonus is worth about 100dps.
So in the interim, I'm using T9 helm for that 40dps boost. When I obtain other upgrades, replacing T9.245, breaking 4pc again, Bloodfang would return. All I need is a non-T9 piece that's worth more than that ~40dps for me to switch right back.
Thanks for the quick and
thottstation — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 15:15Thanks for the quick and detailed reply... but it turns out I made a rookie mistake: I didn't realise the chest piece was heroic.
I must be getting lazy, what with so many other websites putting "heroic" in little green text under the gear's name. I looked at your gear using WoW's Armoury, and not seeing the little green text, assumed it was the 245 version. (Armoury puts Heroic in white text down the bottom, which I missed completely). Doing my own experiments with my two spreadsheets (Aldriana + VEF) and looking at the results, I just couldn't understand why you would do switch to the 245 Chest. I had to ask.
What a noob mistake I made. You'd think the extra gem socket on the chest piece would at least have tipped me off. Becoming an ArPen 'Spam Eviscerate, Get loot' lazy Rogue must be switching my brain off, and that's not a good thing.
Sorry.
(by the way, /blogs/saedo gives a Fatal Error, using both Firefox and IE.)
Error should be fixed. PHP
saedo — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 17:27Error should be fixed. PHP conflicts due to that page loading multiple pages into one big page, yadda yadda yadda.
Haha, no probs, I enjoy rogue
saedo — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:11Haha, no probs, I enjoy rogue talks. Even when I'm just ranting to myself as you probably already see in this blog. Those numbers I get are indeed from Aldriana's spreadsheet.
Looks like Garreth's on the case with the bad page.
Oh snap! Thanks the tip off,
garreth — Fri, 11/20/2009 - 16:05Oh snap! Thanks the tip off, Thott. Let me see if I can get that page working. Also, welcome to the site :) We likes smart rogues around here.
So I kinda went balls out and
saedo — Fri, 10/16/2009 - 03:39So I kinda went balls out and completely regemmed myself so I'd be optimal (almost) in the 3 gear sets I'm keeping around. Those being the regular set, the dedicated insanity set, the herald of the titans set.
Rogue rant ahead!
Regular:
The thing that's tricky atm is that I'm dancing around my ArP cap. An upgrade here and there means I switch an (or several) ArP gem for an Agi gem, or vice versa.
Dedicated Insanity:
But the thing is in this set, I'm not dancing around the cap. So it's full out ArP to be optimal. What i figured to do is to replace a few gems and made sure the Agi gems are all in my 258s. That way, they're switched out for ArP gemmed pieces.
Also, this set is pretty much as best as it can be now. Chest cloak withstanding. And maybe a slight boost if I break 4pc for a couple offsets, but probably at most 40-50 dps doing that.
Herald of the Titans:
Now this set is basically my T8. Back in 3.2, it got to the point where I'd gem ArP for max benefits. But 3.2.2 happened, ArP nerfed, raising the gear level before ArP is viable, meaning, Agi is the way to gem. So that's what I did. Will also have to respec and reglyph for it, back to maximal rupture critting style.
Though here's where the not completely optimal comes into play. The belt, is the same one I use for Dedicated Insanity so it's all ArP gemmed. That's about a 10 dps loss from lack of Agi in this set. Oh well, all I could do atm. Maybe get a second belt?
Oh well, about 12 rubies, 4 ametrines, and 6 dragon eyes later I'm done for now!
Rant over!
Ah dagmanit. Well some
saedo — Wed, 10/14/2009 - 01:34Ah dagmanit. Well some significant upgrades today. But now I'm in badly in need of a main hand axe to make use of the off hand that's just gonna rot in the bank like the other one. Quite a hefty boost if I can only make use of them.
Fan of Axes > Fan of Knives?
Kwondre — Wed, 10/14/2009 - 04:53Fan of Axes > Fan of Knives?
There's a chance on hit to
saedo — Wed, 10/14/2009 - 10:06There's a chance on hit to decapitate heads duh.
hawt
PoTink — Wed, 10/14/2009 - 10:25hawt
Rogue Nerd
saedo — Tue, 10/06/2009 - 13:05So, with the upgrade last night that finally fixed that slight expertise problem I had. Switches the powers of some items of course, basically the ones that involved exp on them.
Otherwise, nothing interesting yet to report.
Though, if I were to talk about 3.3, it seems they made poison procs count as a spell cast. That makes things a bit interesting. Like it can proc Black Magic enchant for haste buff (theories of weapon swapping to take advantage), focus magic, and probably all those spell trinkets too.
Also, just a random thought I noticed... Heroic ToC 10 man loot seems a more lacking to me. Well compared to what Ulduar 10 man hard was. It just seemed that I could take more gear from that hard mode as BiS even above a lot of Uludar 25 man hard mode loot. Doesn't seem to be the case for ToC, none of that stuff appears to last above the Heroic ToC 25 loot. Though, still good pathway gear to it.
Gear talk... So apparently
saedo — Mon, 10/05/2009 - 10:23Gear talk...
So apparently this patch stealth nerfed [Drape of the Faceless General]. Used to be 69 agi 39 stam, but got shifted to 53 agi, 55 stam. Well this puts it under ToC25 cloaks so I guess that is their intended power. Also removes it from my list except maybe for Herald.
So, moar upgrades
saedo — Fri, 09/25/2009 - 13:26So, moar upgrades happened. Rogue nerd talk ahead!
Got my 4 pc T9, which is decent. Not jaw dropping like T8 was, but more of a nice to have if you just happened to get it kind of bonus.
That plus a boots upgrade makes me officially done with the normal mode ToC 10 loot. And also, Triumph emblem loot. All of it, done, including that last piece of T9 (helm) which I will not be getting (more exp ahead).
Those upgrades also messes me up slightly. I am now over the expertise cap. Running 30 expertise and can't do anything about it. Talent wise dropping 5 expertise puts me under again, but I have no additional dps talents to take to put that extra point, so total waste. I only have 3 pieces with any expertise on it too, they are Shoulders, Belt, and Boots.
Shoulders I can't trade out anymore, the T9 4pcs is firmly locking that in. I can't switch to T9 helm cause there's even more expertise on it. The belt I just don't have an alternative, only Death-Warmed in my bank and the stats are too far below to gain any dps back. It does put the ToC25 man belts back on the map, so I guess I'd have to gun for them now. Boots wise again, Footpads of Silence is my alternative and stats are too far below. ToC25 man boots, still gunning for those which haven't dropped yet.
This also kinda means even if I do change those pieces, I have to keep current pieces to do Dedicated Insanity, so still over capped. Oh well.
Semi-tangent, I've kinda noticed that besides T9 258s, I'm almost done with the AP pool. Been wanting boots all along, that hasn't changed, just never dropped. Belt is now on the map. Helm is now gonna be Ony25 helm. Bracers need Heroic Anub25. Shoulders, Legs, Gloves, Chest will all break the T9 4pc, and with the impossbility of wearing a T9 helm, I can't upgrade on those anymore. Except, maybe the chest off Heroic Jaraxxus, looks to be still a net 20 dps increase even if I break T9, which is meh. Might shift to 60 dps increase if I work the triumph emblem shoulders back in. It's kind of significant if I think of it that way.
Actually thinking further, the T9 2pc does nothing for me. If I do break the 4pc, that might snowball me into collecting legs, gloves, and shoulders and not wear T9 at all. Until 258s come back into play. Interesting. Build a set, break a set, build the same set again lol
NAP though, still a significant chunk, and several people will be gunning for the same things. lol
Interesting, so they buffed
saedo — Wed, 09/23/2009 - 11:48Interesting, so they buffed the Onyxia helms on live vs what they were on PTR. That meant the stats I was working with was wrong, and it turns out the helms are BiS, barring any set bonus issues. Yes, well the 245 version, is better than T9 258.
So, for other classes, you might want to check the live version of your Ony helms again. They may be better than what you think.
Rogue nerd talk ahead, ignore
saedo — Fri, 09/18/2009 - 12:34Rogue nerd talk ahead, ignore it!
So I managed to get enough upgrades to break the T8 pc and can now wear all new shiny gear for a 40 dps increase! This also includes going rupture-less. Just gonna be spamming Eviscerate from now on, well with the whole SS and SnD, oh and FoK of course. lol
Though, I kind of made a mistake, should've played with spreadsheet more and got one of the Conquest pieces instead of one of the triumph offsets. Would've had 4pc bonus and 40ish more dps. Ah well.
Another thing I found out, I need the patch to come soon, even with the ArP nerf. So with these upgrades, I kinda found myself way above the ArP soft cap (742 arp ~60%). I'd have to change all but 2 of my ArP gems (dragon's eye included) into Agi to get back below and into optimal dps range. But when the nerf hits, I only needed to change 2 of them into agi to remain below cap. Well with that choice I decided to fuck it and gear for the patch only. I'm missing out on about another 40 dps doing this, and gonna have to use Agi food, until patch!
Mmmmmm new version of
saedo — Wed, 09/16/2009 - 13:50Mmmmmm new version of spreadsheet new numbers. Ignore the rest of the post, I'm just ranting with rogue numbers.
Well first off, I've changed how this list is kinda calculated. Now it's gonna be based on when I break the 4pc, rather than the if I break the 4pc. Still need to make up about 200dps to break it so not doing it just quite yet.
I could wind up taking the Triumph emblem non-T9 helm and shoulder, then I'd need a sufficient upgrade in the gloves, T9.245 quality or better. Still need 165 emblems for that 20 dps upgrade. lol
I have discovered that if I do break the 4pc, ArP will remain better even with the nerf next patch. So, I sure hope I can break it before patch hits.
Also, once I do break the 4pc, I just may, and that's a may, be able to run a Rupture-less cycle. I think I'm right on the borderline for it, and need 1-2 more upgrades to do that, which breaks my 4 pc coincidentally.
Now it's not like it's gonna be amazing super charged more dps, maybe about 20 more dps.
More general nerd talk though. Some EJ guys ran some extensive testing on Berserking and Mongoose. They found that they're both probably the same proc rate at 1ppm, but also is haste boosted. What this means is, haste effects (gear, heroism, windfury), will allow it to proc it more thus making them higher uptimes. Also means, they've underestimated their value before, so now these enchants are top 2, Accuracy is out of the picture.
Also with this, Mongoose gets awfully close in value to Berserking. Agi and haste benefits starting to surpass the AP one. It is now speculated that at high ToC gear levels, we could all be going back to Mongoose. Go go BC enchants!
Though a pro of that is that at least that enchant is all benefit, Berserking has a negative with -Armor which well don't particularly care about, but mongoose agi dodge will be great again!
Anyways, this will all only be true if Blizz doesn't see the need to nerf it. ;p
The trinkets stack. Prepare
saedo — Sun, 09/13/2009 - 10:37The trinkets stack. Prepare to drool.
Forgot to mention this
saedo — Sun, 09/13/2009 - 00:42Forgot to mention this point...
If min/maxing.... I should re-gem everything to Agility again. But, that'd mean I'd have to re-gem back to ArP once I reach a higher gear level. So I think i'm gonna.... Screw it. lol
It is a 50 dps difference. But I don't think I wanna blow 18 rubies for it. Oh noes! I'm not max dps at patch!
Well I still might! Let's see how anal I get when patch hits.
I understand Saedo. I'm at
Derchlon — Sun, 09/13/2009 - 01:09I understand Saedo. I'm at an ArP level right now, that I could gem ArP and hit the softcap with a trinket. Figures that it happens right before the patch.
Oh well, like you said, eventually when we reach a higher gear level it might be worth stacking again.
Oh I know it'll be worth
saedo — Sun, 09/13/2009 - 01:32Oh I know it'll be worth stacking again. It's just that the crossover point just got higher, past my current gear. So I could go back to agility, wait for the upgrades I need, then regem back to ArP.
It's likely the point is when I break the T8 4 pc, which is still nearly accounts 300 dps to make up. The T9 2 and 4 pc bonuses don't even come close, so have to try for pure stats somehow.
Best case would be a piece of hard mode loot, those are huge boosts, nearly half of what I need to break the 4 pc. Then can prob go for a T9 2pc.
The longer and more tedious way is 4 pc T9.245. Those upgrades combined would get me a whopping 20 dps increase. Well,. gonna also need 240 Triumph going that route.
Though, (boring rogue talk ahead, can skip) what's interesting is that rupture-less cycles aren't killed. Can still do it but just need that gear level. Probably moar hard mode loot and weapons. Then rogues becomes a 3 button spam class! (instead of 4)
Ugh, so with the 3.2.2 nerf
saedo — Sat, 09/12/2009 - 22:08Ugh, so with the 3.2.2 nerf to ArP I had to create a new page with a new list. Cause it kinda changes how some things rank.
So, old list is for the gearing up now. This list is for the gearing up for the future.
Anyways, dps loss overall. Looks like I want the axes/maces even more so now.