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Positive Reinforcement vs Negative Punishment

garreth — Thu, 02/28/2008 - 10:59

I'll keep this short and sweet since I dont' have a lot of time, but I really want to get people's feedback on this. 

Last night I was informed of the tactics used by another guild on Gorgonnash regarding Vashj.  It wasn't a boss strat per se, but it was definitely raid related: Every time they'd wipe to Vashj, the raid leader would dock their raiders DKP.  But not everyone.  Only the healers.  Ok, I'll let that sink in a bit.

One more time for good measure: If they wipe on Vashj, they dock dkp from only the healers.  Oh, and they only bring six healers on this fight. We can all agree this is absolutely absurd.  But people are sticking around and actually putting up with it.

This leads to some really interesting discussions of positive reinforcment vs negative punishment.  That guild wants to succeed on a diffcult boss.  They have 2 options

1) Reward improvements and acknowledge what people did right (positive reinforcement).
2) Punish and take away positive stimulus (dkp) for failure to improve. (negative punishment)

Choosing the second option in a game is almost Hitleresque when applied to the raid as a whole.  But to dole it out upon a small and absolutely essential contingent of your team for no other reason than you don't play that role (the raid leaders/officers are all tanks/dps), is downright sick.

And those that sticking around are effectively the raid whipping boys.  How do people put up with this?  Does a group of people need a scapegoat to their own problems so bad that they'll completely oppressed a subsection of their fellow raiders?  Didn't the Nazis do something like this?

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warion pimpin it up

warion — Wed, 02/27/2008 - 13:48

warion pimpin it up

sup  its warion ..on right alexis on left

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Turth and his friend.

Ewiges — Tue, 02/26/2008 - 21:34

Turth and his friend.
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lolcats ftw

Dikymo — Tue, 02/26/2008 - 20:28

lolcats ftw
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U.S. Spies Want to Find Terrorists in World of Warcraft

Ewiges — Tue, 02/26/2008 - 19:02

Source: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2008/02/nations-spies-w.html

 

Though the article isn't exactly about the Government sending Night Elf
spies to find Osama Bin Laden's Orc counterpart, it is an interesting article.
From what I could understand is a Congress bill was passed to start learning
more about online communities, how they react, work, etc. Then from that they
can then establish a way to red-flag in-game terrorist plotting. Though, why
waste the money? I can almost be completely sure there are more pedophiles in
MMOs then there are Terrorist. Well, this would explain why no one can find
Osama Bin Laden; he's too busy trying to kill Illidan. "You are not prepared".

Now the core route of this project is interesting. How does a virtual world
differ from a real world (besides to lack of females)? It will be interesting
to see the public results but honestly, I have to conclude this gets an F for
use of government funds.

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face stab

judgedredd — Tue, 02/26/2008 - 11:30

face stab
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Who is the strongest?

Gares of War — Mon, 02/25/2008 - 13:33

I was curious on how high a level elite people have managed to solo.  I have discovered I can fight a lvl 69 giant elite in netherstorm by myself.  I was curious if anyone has a monster they can beat for their claim to fame.

 

Lvl 70 warrior- Dracondros defeats Firkrag (something or other to this effect)

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I know - I've been MIA

Josalin — Sat, 02/23/2008 - 07:46

I'm sure atleast one of you has wondered where I ran off too. At the same time I'm sure the men have enjoyed being able to flirt shamelessly with my women, since I haven't been around to keep a watchful eye over my lovely ladies.

 

Either way! I do have a reason! Some people would call it an eviction notice, I more would call it my landlord being an asshole. I had til February 14th to find a new place to live(we moved out on the 15th, the day we found a place.) Not that we were slackers, but apparently this area just doesn't have much too offer(believe me, I'm NOT surprised.)

Having spent all of last friday moving, and all of last Saturday unable to move, we came to the realization that there was no signal to be found! Nothing to leech for miles! Which pretty much meant we were stuck offline til friday.

Friday came, and went. Still no net to call our own(DAMN YOU VERIZON!!!)

I did however find a temporary crappy net to leech. It probably won't last long, but I figured I'd update you guys.

Btw, Verizon says they changed their minds and are going to email us on Wednesday to let us know when they're gonna come out. But I heard tale of a long ranty phonecall in the near future, so maybe sooner.

 

 

xoxo,

Josalin

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Chest Farming And Such...

mav — Wed, 02/20/2008 - 22:29

So I was looking around for something new and fun to do as a hunter (Just coming on to farm and raid was getting old ;D) and a friend of mine sent a few links of hunters farming heroic SP for chests. All I needed was a pet with sprint and a little luck. I can't wait to try this tomorrow and hopefully have some fun with it (while earning some money at the same time =P) Now all Blizzard needs to do is make something that unlocks chests that can be used by anyone...

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Working sick.

Grasen — Mon, 02/18/2008 - 18:11

Well i have been sick since sat. Yesterday was perticularaally rough. Today i figured "well i'm off on tue so i'll go ahead and go into work today and tough it out."  Boy was that a mistake. anytime i found myself with down time between cars today and tried to sit down and rest a lil my boss was all over me to git up and clean something. he kept me so busy i didnt even git lunch till almost 3. I tell yah   next time i think i'll go tough it out instead of calling in i'll sure think twice.

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