The only way I can get behind a call system being significantly different from a simple /roll system is if you're limited on the number of calls you can make per run, say 2 calls.  Didn't call it? You don't roll - unless nobody called it.  This would help keep loot distribution more even, in lieu of a point system.  If you can call all the items you want, or even 1 per boss, this is basically just a penalty for those not on the site.  While I can agree that its mroe or less fair to do this, the problem is that it holds no provision for the evening out of loot distribution - e.g. someone could hypothetically walk out of the instance with a peice of loot off of every boss, while 20 other people got the total shaft.  Now, if nobody cares about this, that's fine, but I don't want to see alot of QQ later if something like that were to happen.

Since it's set in stone that alts can't win over mains, I would see it being more effective to have alts call items as well.  They just can't roll on anything that was also called by a main.  The reason I see this being more effective is that there are bound to be a fair number of loot drops that none of the mains need, and the system needs to cover these in the same manner for alts, imo.  Best way to keep it fair.

Awesome all the feedback we are getting on this. I'm like the idea of a call system, I'd like to spend a little bit of time thinking about it. But keep your eyes peeled for more TK/SSC Smash N' Grab events. They will be on Saturdays and depending on interest may end up once a month things or maybe every few weeks. Also I'd like to get with some of the raid officers/leaders to find out what I need to be looking for in raid composition, last time I put together a raid it was herding 40 cats into a flameing cave...

One thing might worth mentioning is maybe the ability to call 2 items but only come out with 1 at the end. I'm sure there are people with more than one thing on their mind that they would want. Lets say though that item #1 drops and I get it. Awesome but its only fair that I be taken off the call list for item #2 and let the others who would like it to have a better shot at it. But say Item #1 doesn't drop and item #2 does at least I still have a shot at coming out with an upgrade!

Another plus to this is say item #2 is off Vashj or Kael and item #1 is off of an earlier boss like A'lar or Lurker. For whatever reason we don't down Vashj or Kael be it running out of time or everyone is having an off-day at least the person had a shot at getting an upgrade earlier on in the instance.

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I'm torn.  I really like the idea of using FuriousRaid, but it really does imply that you must do it regularly to have a shot at anything past the first night.  Didn't make it the first night?  odds are you won't get anything the next night.  The call system makes sense too, but if you're allowed to call 1 item per boss, then we'd still basically just have /rolls on everything.  There really aren't many bosses that drop more than 1 item that people need, aside from Vashj, and maybe Kael.

We could allow 1 call per boss. However if we do that we should probably add a provision. Once you win a called loot roll you should not be allowed to roll against main who hasnt won anything that run on a 2nd piece of loot. This will avoid loot whoring and still give you a shot at multiple drops in 1 run. 

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I prefer the call system.  I like the fairness of the point pools, but, since most of us are in there for only a few items, I think a call system is best because:

-It does not promote a massive commitment to lengthy raiding, when our original 25 man raids take enough of our time.

-It does not completely remove the incentive for bringing an alt, thus minimizing our chances of having a poor turnout (alts could theoretically still get loot).

-It serves the original purpose of going back to SSC/TK, which is to get the core raiders those last few items they are lusting after.

-It avoids the drama that could arise from either a simple /roll system OR a loot council. 

Question though, if we are to do a call system, can we only call one item total, one per instance, on per boss, etc..  How does this work???  I for one would like to call about 4 items but I could certainly prioritize them if needed.

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and pulga if you read my post I said only core raiders get a call. An alt/fill in would not be able to roll against you. If its an item that you didnt call then the fill in should be allowed to roll. They have to have some incentive to come help.  

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How about a /roll with some loot council thrown in?  Let's say we just downed Vashj and the only people who need tier 5 pally/shaman/rogue helm are me and a pally that came in that week because we needed a healer.  Since it seems to me that the purpose of this raid is to gear up people, would it make sense that I get priority?  If we are both core hamfist/lf1m raiders then that wouldn't make much sense, but if the pally is someone's alt/fill in for hamfist/lf1m it migth make some sense.  Just because I've never been a fan of strictly rolling off items.  Just throwing out my 1 cent. 

The call system sounds very fair. It gives priority to raiding mains (as mentioned before) for upgrades that end up helping the raid out as a whole. For all the leftovers that arent called for it allows those to be rolled off for alts/off specs for people to have fun with!

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yeah i wouldnt mind goin in some tk for the neck quest  off kael thats it

Using points makes people feel obligated to run every week. Using points for this run is a HUGE mistake.  Please dont do it.

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To Diky's credit, it's not complicated.

Let's say we go in to SSC, and myself, Saedo, and Kybosh (or whomever) all say "I call Tsunami Talisman."  No one else calls the Tsunami Talisman.

We kill Leo, and the TT drops.  Only the three that "called" it (myself, Saedo, Kybosh) get to roll on it.

It's that simple.

No offense, but that sounds like a very complicated version of Saedo's, "Alt's only roll out of NRP" idea.

If this run is going to be for certain items then using a call system might be the way to go. people are pretty sick of SSC/TK on their mains. Coming into a raid knowing that they have no shot at the piece of gear they want because they missed an "optional" raid is going to cause alot of staffing problems.   

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