New mage talent trees
Alprazalam — Mon, 09/22/2008 - 22:18
So if I understand corrently, the patch tomorrow will include the new talent trees. I know I'm respeccing and was wandering what all the other mages in guild were going to do. I'm thinking of doing something like this.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZ0EcbRhIuVubhktMhc
I did wanna put a point in incneration but decided to go with Hot Streak because I wanted to try it and and see if I could find away to effectivly use pyroblast and not have threat problems (like after popping invisibility on a boss fight).
I didn't get Firestarter because I never use Flamestrike, but thinking about getting it when i have more talent points just to try out how Flamestrike will fit in my AOE rotations (see if I can get more damage done without aggro problems).
when I hit 80, I was thinking of doing this.
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZcEcbRhIuVubGstmhc0o
Try out the flamestrike and pyroblast and see if I can properly handle the aggro. If I keep over aggroing with the instant flamestrike, then i'll take those points out and put them into Arcane Subtlety and go back to my usual rotation of DB, BW, AE.
I will admit I don't know too much about arcane and frost but would like to see how ya'll will spec with only 61 talent points and then how you will spec once you've hit 80.
From the 3.0.3 path
Dufe — Mon, 11/03/2008 - 22:56From the 3.0.3 patch notes:
Living Bomb: Mana cost reduced to be the same as Arcane Explosion.. It no longer causes the caster to stand up when the final explosion occurs and it is now possible for each mage to have Living Bomb active on a target.
Along with the general mana cost reductions for mages, this should help add to raid dps considerably when there are multiple fire mages. Not only should it be realistically possible to maintain Living Bomb without going OOM, but with all the mages being able to keep it up on one target, that should become a fair amount of added DPS.
This T6 set bonus is
Adoron (not verified) — Mon, 10/27/2008 - 13:38This T6 set bonus is godly.
Too bad I can't even play around with it now. 5 min before the last LF1M raid, my account ran out of time. Seriously now.
So, I suppose I'll wait around a little bit before spending again, so more of the time can be devoted to WotLK. I don't have much to do right now anyway and I think that I can level Preeeetty efficiently now.
I'm liking deep frost. Long
jeremyj — Mon, 10/20/2008 - 22:40I'm liking deep frost. Long lasting water elemental. Insane blizzard freezing. Even single target dps is competitive with instant cast no mana fireball and fingers of frost with shatter. Does make farming very fun and easy, 10 guys at once (as long as none are ranged) with blizzard is cool - oh and each wave of blizzard can crit now. My gear sucks and I'm seeing 900 crit waves with blizzard.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Gorgonnash&n=Jeremyj
=( I used to love frost. I
Adoron (not verified) — Sat, 10/18/2008 - 18:19=( I used to love frost. I think that I'm going to check out a fire spec in LR tomorrow, granted that I get in.
I do like your idea for an 80-Fire spec, Dufe. http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZcEcbRhIuVubGstmhc0o
Seems very powerful.
I did frost Thursday. It
Dufe — Sat, 10/18/2008 - 18:06I did frost Thursday. It sucked for DPS. Bad.
Think I saw a blue post
saedo — Sat, 10/18/2008 - 16:50Think I saw a blue post saying the role is basically same as before. "Competitive dps", but will prob slightly lower due to survivability tricks and ability to slow down targets.
Ah, I thought I heard that
Adoron (not verified) — Sat, 10/18/2008 - 16:40Ah, I thought I heard that they almost play a new role in WotLk.
Meh. Might as well start testing out Arcane/Fire then. I think I've gotten a good taste of Arcane for now.
Well raid buff redundancy
saedo — Sat, 10/18/2008 - 16:18Well raid buff redundancy means frost mages don't necessarily help the rest of the raid. Imp Scorch and Winter's Chill do not stack.
Hm.. if that's so.. then
Adoron (not verified) — Sat, 10/18/2008 - 16:00Hm.. if that's so.. then what's frost's new roll in WotLK? Doesn't it in part help out the Death Knight somehow? As well as the rest of the raid..
In theory, the arcane spec
Dufe — Sat, 10/18/2008 - 02:30In theory, the arcane spec that would be "ideal" dps with the new trees is arcane/fire. You get ignite, spam a Fireball/Arcane Barrage rotation and hit arcane missles on Missle Barrage procs. This should be the highest dps arcane spec/rotation available.
That being said, I've tried anubmer of specs throughout the week, as I always take my thearycraft reading with a grain of salt. What I've found, is that even without the 4pc T6 bonus, fire GREATLY outpaces either of the other two specs. Regardless fo your gear, I'd go fire if you want to max. There's still some debate regarding whether it's better at lvl 70 to get living bomb or Icy veins. Only one mage can have living bomb on the target at t time anyway, so with multiple fire mages in raid, all but that one should go icy veins regardless fo the outcome of the debate. (Yeah, our 51 point fire talent really boils down to a crappy restricted version of seed of corruption.) For fire, you get scorch up, as usual, then you spam fireball and keep your scorch up as usual. The thing that changes is that now (for one of you) you have to keep living bomb up, being careful to actually let it fall off before re-applying and you have to watch for hot streak procs so you can launch that instant pyro.
Has anyone taken notice of
Adoron (not verified) — Fri, 10/17/2008 - 15:42Has anyone taken notice of the Incinerate spec in the fire tree (T1)? Adds 6% crit to Arcane blast, if you're Arcane and you rely on AB, like me =).
With that said, my spec currently is http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0Vfu0hzgGuMtedc , and after checking out the lot of your guy's talent spec's, what do you think about mine?
I'm still stuck with my T5 bonus, so to start a spec off of the top of my head, I tried to revolve a lot of the talents around this damage, as well as test out the improvements given to arcane missiles. So I've got 3/3 Spell Impact for 6% damage to AB, 3/3 Arcane Empowerment for the extra damage for AB and Arcane Missiles, 5v5 Missile Barrage, and so on (areas that I don't see talents points typically invested into). I'm.. a little uneducated on what the best possible DPS is for me now, but from a first point of view, I think that the additions are great.
For one, Arcane missiles sprung back to life. While I'm spamming arcane blast, I'm waiting for the Missile Barrage buff to come up, and when it does i switch from AB to a quick arcane missiles, then switch back. Bust CD's, rinse repeat.
What I've also noticed (and, this may be just due to everyone else's buffs) is that with this rotation, it now takes a longer time to get to the bottom of my mana pool. This might be because they took off the time cuts on AB per cast (but, it's as if though they cut the time reductions, the damage is still the same, since per tick it increases by 25%, 50%, to a max of 75% after the 3rd). But, while this is happening, I'm waiting on the Missile Barrage Buff. Coupling this with the extra 10% spirit (and the mage armor glyph for an extra 20% mana regeneration while casting), I'm regenerating a lot more mana now than I did before, and because Missile Barrage proc's fairly often (versus having to spend 800 mana per AB (the big downside of the spell now)), I'm dealing out more damage, and sustaining more mana than I did before.
If that made sense. That's just my first look at the changes. I feel as though that they want you to use Arcane Missiles more often now, and this is a great rotation to put Missile Barrage's uses into great effect. That's what it's there for, anyway. By rotation I mean Pop CD's (when necessary) - AB AB AB (Pot if needed) Ooh Missile Barrage! Arcane Missile - AB AB AB
In doing this though, I've lost Icy Veins. Sad face.
So, should I take some talent points out of say.. Prismatic Cloak, Magic Attunement, Netherwind Presence, and others that could be dominated by even more dps with this cooldown? Is my rotation solid? Or have I missed something completely altogether?
Oh and, I don't see much of a point to Arcane barrage honestly. Someone mind telling me about its purpose in a raid fight? I'm aiming for a raid spec of course.
I came up with this spec
Adoron (not verified) — Fri, 10/17/2008 - 15:46I came up with this spec http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0Vcu0hzxGu0xxbcZMGc0o in order to get Icy Veins back. In doing so, I lose Arcane Flows (the awesome PoM/AP CD reduction), Netherwind Presence (6% spell haste), Magic Attunement (extra 6 yds) and Arcane Barrage (insta-cast). But, I'm supplemented with a CD and a faster Ice Block CD (amongst other things).
Hmm..
How bout
saedo — Fri, 10/10/2008 - 16:41How bout http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage=00550020123033310531203003503030031...
Kinda means less of the fire AoE tricks though.
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Dufe, You don't think
Karli — Fri, 10/10/2008 - 16:34Dufe,
You don't think switching 3 points into fire is going to be worth it to snag Icy Veins? What are your thoughts on the trade off? I personally would probably take one point off of World in Flames and then dump the 2 from Flame Throwing...hmm. What to do...
Can't get Living Bomb AND
Dufe — Fri, 10/10/2008 - 18:01Can't get Living Bomb AND Icy Veins at 70. From what I can see so far, the living bomb will be better dps (even on single target) if you have the mana to sustain it. It will depend a bit in fight length though. Fights just over three minutes will show slightly more benefit from IV due to the CD timing. The problem is only one person can have living bomb up on a target at a time, so if there are multiple fire mages, then the rest really should go IV.
For now, I think my 3.0.2
Dufe — Fri, 10/10/2008 - 13:09For now, I think my 3.0.2 spec for the next couple weeks will look very close to this:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage=00550220123032310531203013512030030000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
May move around a couple points, but it will not deviate much from that. For Illidan specifically, since P2 is unkind to fire and it tends to be high movement for me, I MIGHT try:
http://talent.mmo-champion.com/?mage=00000000000000000000000000000520030000000000000000000000235005200000300151323102505021
I REALLY like both the fire
Dufe — Sun, 10/05/2008 - 20:20I REALLY like both the fire and the arcane specs right now. Really fun to play, lots of damage, fair increase in survivability. Frost can be fun too, just not as much as the other two atm . . . for me anyway. Mana is going pretty fast, but nothing I would have complained about. Bonus, I guess.
Looks like they're gonna
saedo — Sun, 10/05/2008 - 18:32Looks like they're gonna reduce mana costs for mages: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10863437336&pageNo...
We think mages are still having mana problems and don't want to reduce Evocation's cooldown anymore. Nor do we want to buff mage armor too much more or using e.g. molten armor seems pointless.
Instead, we reduced the mana cost on Fireball, Frostbolt, Frostfire Bolt, Arcane Blast, Arcane Missiles, and Arcane Explosion.
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I'm disappointed BW won't be
Alprazalam — Thu, 09/25/2008 - 18:57I'm disappointed BW won't be used in raid. I'll problable get it for lvling but spec out of it when i hit 80.
Atar's cousin, although we don't claim each other in RL.
Note that that was not a
Dufe — Thu, 09/25/2008 - 14:26Note that that was not a complaint about the arcane tree, jsut a statement that AB no longer has a home in any rotation. At this point, deep arcane will put a few talents into fire and the rotation will be FB->ABr, with MBAM on proc. This spec/rotation currently puts out roughly the same dps as deep fire, so as the numbers go, there's no room for griping.
Some long-time arcane mages are pissed that their main nuke as arcane isn't an actual arcane spell. I understand their complaint, and part of me agrees, but so long as the numbers are there and the arcane playstyle has good situationaly flexibility and is fun (and I think it does/is), I will be happy.
R.I.P. Arcane Blast
Dufe — Thu, 09/25/2008 - 09:48R.I.P. Arcane Blast
Looks like they wanna revive
saedo — Tue, 09/30/2008 - 10:18Looks like they wanna revive Arcane Blast: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=10544538454&pageNo...
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I honestly think its they
Shinso — Thu, 09/25/2008 - 14:10I honestly think its they way they intended it to be. End of fight mana dump to 0 out.
Even Manly says it's no good
Dufe — Thu, 09/25/2008 - 14:15Even Manly says it's no good as a mana dump (in current form). The only time he (and I tend to agree) sees it being used is when you're low on mana, and you use it once without any stacking as a high dpm filler.
Oh ya it does........another
Dragon — Wed, 09/24/2008 - 06:54Oh ya it does........another thing I gotta wait to go on CD on my rogue/warrior before I use shadowstep(oh wait im goin mutilate) or intercept.
Weatherman says a Divine Storm's acomin'. . .
Shinso and I are in the beta
Dufe — Tue, 09/23/2008 - 22:31Shinso and I are in the beta :) It does throw them back.
Caronte, I hate/love you
Alprazalam — Tue, 09/23/2008 - 18:30Caronte, I hate/love you like a brother hates/loves his brother.
BTW Shinso, from the way I understand it, the knock back on BW is more like the enemies fall down and get back up. It shouldn't knock them out of a pally's consecrate because there is no actual change of where the mob is. Its almost exactly as it was, just changed the stun to a knock back, which I see as better because the stun could be broken with damage where I don't think the knockback will be able to.
Atar's cousin, although we don't claim each other in RL.
The sky is falling no
Caronte22 — Tue, 09/23/2008 - 14:38The sky is falling
no patch
This is what I would do for
Shinso — Tue, 09/23/2008 - 14:31This is what I would do for level 70 pre wrath:
Arcane
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=of0ifu0hzxGzMxed
This leaves 7 points to work with where you want.
Fire
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZ0E0bRhIhVubhsx
11 points to focus or IV based on preference. I think for BC it leans tword IV because its still pretty nessicary to have EP without the highest level of gear. BW is useless in raid situations now as the knockback makes tanking harder.
Frost
http://wotlk.wowhead.com/?talent=oZfmZVIccofu0fzgbst
4 point ignite or 4 point concentration
Like Dufe I've been so put
Karli — Tue, 09/23/2008 - 08:17Like Dufe I've been so put off by trying to keep up with the changes (It's like a friggin' soap opera!!!) that I've decide to keep myself completely out of things until they are actually SOLID. I've had a moment here or there where I've either gotten really excited about something only to see it get nerfed or started out being really pissed about something until they fixed it, so I really won't do any major planning until the patch ACTUALLY comes out. Namely, I'll spend my breaks at work during patch day tweaking things at that time.