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Melee DPS vs Level 83s

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saedo — Sun, 11/02/2008 - 13:22

So last night I went to that city boss attempt on Sylvanas.    43% was the best shot.   Lots of shit kept respawning, aggro kept resetting, she got evade bugged a few times, and Horde eventually overrun the room.

Anyways, here's the real point of this post for all those that want to know.   I did a Recount on it and looked at it to compare what effect a level 83 has on my attacks.

Hit:  -5%

- That's pretty much it.    White damage misses increased.    Yellow damage didn't really miss at all (well above cap regardless).

Glancing Blow Rate:   58%

- Maybe it's RNG, so it's close to 60%, but vs level 73s, it went up from about 20-25%.    Nothing we can do can reduce this.  The old ways of Weapon Skill and stuff would've helped, but they don't exist anymore.

Glancing Blow Damage Reduction:  92%

- Maybe another RNG, so close to 90%.   That is also up from the level 73's 20ish%.   Again nothing we can do to reduce this with the old old way of weapon skills no longer existing.

 

So from this, my damage overall probably dropped about 50% due mostly to Glancing Blows.   Hit won't do much shit against these bosses.    It only really affected my white damage which got reduced to a measely 34 at times.  

My conclusion is to entirely focus on pumping up Yellow Damage stats.  That's Agi, AP, crit, armor pen.   Defininitely my Sinister Strikes doing most all the damage I did.

But of course you probably don't want those missing either.    Assuming only a 5% increase in miss, here are those hit caps:

  • No Talents:  14% = 221 hit rating
  • With Precision:  9% = 142 hit rating

These caps can probably help with other classes too.     I saw hunters like Caronte only missing 5% too so probably the same number for all physical dps (assuming he hit capped).

Anyways, this is just some info to help anyone that wants to maximize city boss damage.   Tell Serenity, Georgepatton, or others about it too if any of you run these bosses with em again.

 

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You wouldn't be able to give

Fjork — Mon, 11/03/2008 - 09:29

You wouldn't be able to give a quick synopsis of Glancing Blows would you?  I've been told they are going to play a greater role in WotLK for tanks as well as dps and the wowwiki page doesn't really give clear information.   I know its unrelated to your World Boss post, but I'd like to see where Pedran's Tank gear it on ??'s and the glancing blow aspect is odd to me. (since pre 3.0.2 all I had to care about was +spell, etc)

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What about it?   I haven't

saedo — Mon, 11/03/2008 - 11:08

What about it?   I haven't heard any changes to it for the expansion.

For +3 mobs.   Glancing Blow rate is 20-25%.   I'm not sure if the number is pinned down somewhere, but almost every patch someone claims it got changed.  lol

There is no current way to reduce that rate.   It is not affected by crit, hit, etc.   It is stuck on your attack table no matter what.   This is all assuming max weapon skill of course.   And no more weapon skill stat/gear existing, so yea.

For +3 mobs, Glancing Blow damage reduction is 20-30%.   Again I'm not sure if it got pinned down.    And again there's nothing to change that.   When the dice rolls says you'll get a Glancing Blow, your white damage gets reduced.    White damage normal hit damage that is.   There is no glancing crit.   

No way to reduce that affect either.    In the old old pre-BC ways, there was.    +10 weapon skill actually made Glancing Blow penalty to zero.   Still get glancing blows, but basically negated any damage reduction.    So it was a huge boost to white damage just to have 10 weapon skill.   Go go wearing Garr gloves and some blue DM gear.    Changed when 2.0 hit to not do that anymore.

So, I don't see how any of this directly makes Glancing Blows more of a role in WotLK and DPS in wrath.   For DPS it's same old same old, just gotta let it slide.     For tanks...   I suppose with less threat gimmicks, maybe your white attacks have to just do more damage to maintain threat?    So that only really means max your weapon skill.   Only thing you can do.

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Thanks. I had just seen a

Fjork — Mon, 11/03/2008 - 12:57

Thanks.

I had just seen a tanking post saying that tankadins were going to have to be aware of it more and I was like "Its not crushing.... or critting.......  glancing?"  lol

wowwiki was all over the place on what it was.

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