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It says you updated your app
bluetouguyss — Wed, 06/03/2009 - 16:45It says you updated your app but I dont see any changes. It still says you have only been in naxx although I know you have been in ulduar. give us an update of what you have been up to and why the absence from raid (even though I already know) ;)
Update
Jimi — Wed, 06/03/2009 - 18:36Lets see. I was absent from raid cause I felt I owed it to my friend and fellow guildies to help them out since they have been short on raiders. And I just wanted to see what it would be like raiding with them. They have picked several new people and should be ok now as long as everyone learns the fights and stays alive. I missed my friends from here and wanted to come back.
While I was raiding Ulduar 25 with them we downed Flame Leviathan , Ignis the Furnace Master , Razorscale , XT-002 Deconstructor , Assembly of Iron , Kologarn and Auriaya. I picked up Proto-hide Leggings from Razorscale. I picked up Flamestalker Boots from Ignis. We attemped Thorim and Hodir but were unsuccessful.
I did do an Ulduar 10 run with Torvo's group. And I believe we downed Flame Leviathan , Ignis the Furnace Master , Razorscale , XT-002 Deconstructor. During which time I picked up Treacherous Shoulderpads and Kinetic Ripper.
Thats it. Biana
i wont go into much detail to
darkwolf — Sun, 05/10/2009 - 03:49i wont go into much detail to tired atm but Biana did good dps in !1 but QQ alot about buffs if he would have looked on grid would have seen only had 2 pallys and at the end on kt raised hell about loot. i hate loot drama as i know alot of people here do. k now that ive reported in im going to sleep and to u biana work on the atitude plx
Thanks for the comment on my
Jimi — Sun, 05/10/2009 - 10:24Thanks for the comment on my dps. And you were right I was QQing to damn much. I guess i'm just trying so hard to get my damage up as high as possible and every buff helps. It won't happen again. As far as the loot. Its new to this raid group and it looked to me like several people were bidding on the dagger. As it turned out I wasn't reading the readout correctly and I got a little crazy. As far as my attitude, no more drama or QQing.
Hey Jim
Torvo — Sun, 05/10/2009 - 22:34I'm really glad you were able to take this with a grain of salt. My 2 cents is that you're focused too much on strictly DPS numbers because of what the early conversation here looked like, and you've done a great job of elevating those numbers, especially on Patchwerk where you were number 1 this week (grats!) -- which shows me that you're good at taking direction and focusing on your "homework" for the week. Now as you start to focus on some of the intangibles that rogues bring (such as kicks, and getting onto the boss faster), just try to incorporate those
I can see where the QQ about not having might would have come from that DPS focus, since you're not at your best without optimal buffs. The fact that you didn't have it means that I (as leader) and our Pallys didn't think to consciously adjust pally buff assignments after we lost one of our pallys, and that's a good thing to call out, but be mindful of how you're bringing it up. Your outbound in vent is a little high (I can help you dial that down a notch or two if you don't know how) and when you say "Biana needs might" a few times at your normal voice, it sounds like you're yelling. I don't want you to stay quiet and go into fights at less than 100%, just try to be a little more aware of the overall situation and ask yourself why something is a problem so when you speak up you can say "looks like we lost a pally, and now rogues don't have might. Can we fix that real fast before we start?"
Also, on the loot note, you can always trust that I'll make sure it goes to the right person. I know you were really excited for the weapon, but no need to tell druids they shouldn't be rolling on it - trust that they'll know that, and if someone tries to outbid you on a weapon that's better for your spec than theirs, you'll probably still end up with it unless they can make a solid argument in vent for why it's as valuable to them as it is to you. We really do hate loot QQs, so trust in the guild/raid officers to always make sure loot ends up in the right hands.
We used Patchwerk as something for you to improve on because it's pure tank and spank DPS, and this week your pure DPS there was the highest. The problem is, it's the best for pure DPS because it's the easiest fight in the raid for DPS. When the fights get harder, requiring more execution, your numbers drop off a bit... I'll challenge you to look at why this is happening in the harder fights (Garreth gave some good reasons below). Hopefully you'll start translating the top-of-the-charts damage from Patch to the harder bosses.
All that said, I'm really pleased with the week-over-week improvements you've been showing. I hope you'll keep taking all this advice to heart and bringing us your A Game in raids.
I'm sorry about the QQing.
Jimi — Mon, 05/11/2009 - 18:14I'm sorry about the QQing. I'm getting anxious about the long application process and getting an invite to the guild and one of the officers in the guild I'm in asking me to pull my application and start raiding with them. And I lost my head. It won't happen again.
Yes I will be working on the suggestions from both Garreth and Saedo. And yes I love all the advices I am getting. It has helped considerably with my game so far.
I use Patchwerk cause it is
saedo — Mon, 05/11/2009 - 01:25I use Patchwerk cause it is the easiest fight, it's basically the fight you can pound the basics into. It's what you should be trying every fight even if the fight doesn't particularly allow it.
Like if I look at SnD droppage, say it appears to happen a lot in one fight, but it's cause of constant target changing. But that doesn't tell me if it's dropping because of the fight itself, or cause of the person playing the rogue.
Patchwerk is the one fight where any stupid mistakes are clearly visible. Shit moves, poor habits, general bad play can be easily assessed. Once all those are addressed, then that'd be the foundation.
But let's look at others.
Trash - Still terrible. You can honestly probably top that easily and exploit it on add based fights to improve damage there too. Fan of Knives. Learn to use it. What you should try to do is use it when you can hit 3 or more mobs. Start spamming it when there's a lot in a pack of trash. Tricks a tank to give it all to him (or someone you want dead), and spam FoK away. Don't even have to worry too much about SnD and stuff on trash fights.
For adds on bosses, similar principle, 3 or more mobs, Fan of Knives away. Ideally keep SnD up if the boss is around and attackable of course.
First I want to thank you for
Jimi — Mon, 05/11/2009 - 17:59First I want to thank you for taking the time to look at my parses. Ok these are not excuses but a play by play of how I remeber each fight.
Razuvious - is a tank and spank except where the tank loses aggro and he starts running around and I have to chase after him. So I lost some SnD up time and dps there. One of my faults that I am working on is that sometimes I lose focus on the target with all the light and spell explosions going off around the boss. This is something I have improved on but still needs more work.
Gothik - I need to work on using fan of knives more and getting to the mobs faster.
4H - I remember this fight. I don't know why i fell off during the fight against the Baron. but i do know why on the last 2. The boss with the black voids (Blaumeux I think) was completely surrounded by the voids and I could not get close enough to dps her. So I stood back and used fan of knifes until I could. On Zeliek someone was telling the melee dps to stay away do to some aoe damage that zeliek was puting out. I didn't understand why but I stayed away for a short time then jumped in.
Anub - I need to work on locating the adds sooner and getting to them faster.
Faerlina - My bad, the mob I was dpsing was moving around a bit and I wasn't keeping up.
Maexxena - Yes I was wrapped against the wall, but I also was stupid and let myself get distracted with my positioning to the boss and I kept moving trying to compensate. I won't let that happen again.
Noth - I know fan of knives use it. But again sometimes I lose focus on the target with all the light and spell explosions going off around the boss. This is something I have improved on but still needs more work.
Heigan - What is the brute force way?
Gluth - Don't know why my Snd fell off. But actually the 1 fan of knifes was for a reason. Someone had yelled out that one of the adds had gotten thru and way getting close to the boss so I used fan of knives. I don't know how much damage it did but it hit the target.
Thaddius - My bad, I was on the negative side and I accidently hit Killing spree and jumped behind Thaddius which was on the positive side and I died. Then someone rezzed me but to the positive side and I died again.
Sapphiron - Again I was stupid and let myself get distracted with my positioning to the boss and his tail swipe and I kept moving trying to compensate. I won't let that happen again. And I will try that tip.
Kel'thuzad - The week before they had complained that the rogues were not kicking. Although this last fight I tried to use it everytime it was up. To what affect I don't know.
As for trash in some of the wings especially when there are spinning blades or aoe going on. I seem to die more often during these times so I am a little scared to jump in and fight.
Thanks again for all your input. I will continue to improve.
Razuvious: Hmm, losing focus
saedo — Mon, 05/11/2009 - 22:59Razuvious: Hmm, losing focus with all the flashy lights going around. That doesn't sound good. lol Yea fix that.
4H: Still I compared you to Onrique for the most part there. Another melee dps, and he got a gap in 2 of the them. Especially Blaumeax. Since both of you were nearly same for Thane, I assumed you two were supposed to be in the same dps group. He found a way to dps her. It's good to not risk damage, but it'd be better if you can accomplish that and dps too. (he got hit for 12K you got hit for 11K from her damage so very similar)
Heigan: To fuck the casters and just tank Heigan on the platform. Melee dps all the way. Just dance during the must dance parts. Instead of the whole fight.
Gluth: Yea, you hit something, only problem is that it only hit 1 thing. Not efficient. If it's just 1 thing, better to just smack with down with Sinister Strike.
Kel'thuzad: Looking further, I see 14 kicks.
Trash: Well yea, some trash are deadly, some aren't. Even for the whirlwinding ones. Target em, watch their cast bars, run out when they're whirlwinding. Or at the least, stand on the edge of the packs. If they're all bunched up, you can pretty much hit em all with FoK.
So if you wanna see real trash damage, this was the last time I was in Naxx: http://wowwebstats.com/ri3ge5olo1mbo?s=trash&a=x6e7cbd
It is a bit old, still 3.0.9, and I was experimenting with a combat shiv spec so I wasn't even supposed to be particalarly good at trash damage (a vanilla combat would've been better). And I'd expect nowadays, with the PPM change to poisons, a rogue can do even better at FoK spammage.
But some numbers to compare. I did 8.7M vs your 4.8M. FoK damage itself I did 3.5M vs your 0.96M. I hit 3181 mobs with it, vs your 773 mobs.
So this is very much an untapped damage potential you can exploit further. Rogues can aoe! Though it sacrifices single target dps to do so, and that's where the principle of 3 or more mobs needed before you FoK.
Your time on target all
garreth — Sat, 05/09/2009 - 22:05Your time on target all across that parse is really low, though your dps is OK. What's causing you to NOT attack on all those bosses? What's it going to take to get you attacking faster instead of standing around?
I did'nt realize I was
Jimi — Sun, 05/10/2009 - 10:41I did'nt realize I was standing around. But I will work on getting into the fight faster. I will get closer when I'm stealthing in. Use sprint more offen. Use Trick of the Trade on the tank more so I don't have to wait for him to pull agro. But I will definately work on it. Thanks for pointing this out.
Rogues check it
bluetouguyss — Sat, 05/09/2009 - 21:31Rogues check it out
http://wowwebstats.com/6pfjovisqhss1
Much better from what I can tell Jim! Keep it up and make sure and sign up for next weekend!
http://wowwebstats.com/o4a4l32ipjs3g
Torvo — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 16:48Parses from the last 2 Naxx wings.
One thing I'd like to see you help with more is kicks... Example being the frost bolts on KT, those were getting out too frequently for us having 2 rogues on him. Solid raid though - as the numbers will show.
Yea sorry my bad I usually do
Jimi — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 19:50Yea sorry my bad I usually do better with those.
5-2 Naxx25!!1 parses
Torvo — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 16:58http://wowwebstats.com/b5mcomr3owyig
Rogue experts, please weigh in :)
Looking at Patchwerk....
saedo — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 17:30Looking at Patchwerk.... Pass.
You may be lower than last week but this is probably a true indicator. No early deaths to over-inflate the value of Heroism uptime.
Pass
Jimi — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 22:56TY Saedo, Don't ask me why but overall I was doing terrible. And I know I can do better. I picked up Webbed Death and Tier shoulders. I then added Berserking to both weapons.
After the raid finshed I went back to the spreadsheet and re-evaluated my gear and came up with a better setup with maximum dps output.
As an additional note, gear
saedo — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 17:44As an additional note, gear is probably the only major thing holding you back now.
Looking at Felsteel...
SnD uptime, get er done: http://wowwebstats.com/b5mcomr3owyig?s=156632-191120&ab=6774
SnD
Jimi — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 23:04How and where do you see this info. (SnD fall offs at 4 sec, 0.4 sec, 4 sec, 7 sec intervals) I clicked on the link and I saw that my SnD was up 93% of the time. Plz help.
Those where Felsteel's
saedo — Sat, 05/02/2009 - 23:31Those where Felsteel's numbers, yours were a post above: 1 sec, 3 sec, 0.2 sec
And to look at this stuff, you need a bit of combat log fiddling like so: http://wowwebstats.com/b5mcomr3owyig?s=156632-191120&bl=156631&filter=sp...
Anyways, Trash Mobs looks like you can definitely spam Fan of Knives more. You should be using it in packs of 3 or more. It's rediculous damage. Helps some of the bosses too to clean adds.
Looks like that could've been done more on Gothik.
Low on Gluth, but ew shiving anethetic poison....
Anub looks a bit lower than I'd expect. SnD drop off was very significant: http://wowwebstats.com/b5mcomr3owyig?s=494097-517836&bl=494097&filter=sp...
Faerlina you seemed to just hit less.
i was taking care of the
Felsteel — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 01:13i was taking care of the enrage, im sure the plain melee swing would of been fine, but oh well wanted to make sure. I wasnt compleatly focusing on my rotaions and all that for that entire run anyways, was there just having some fun :D.
I will say with 3.1 and my current weapon combo really sucks, im doing a lot of testing and trying to find what works best for me, i try to keep up the SnD, sometimes i just cant get the CP out fast enough to get a full refresh. Of the times when there were +5 seconds of missed SnD up time i was either forced to move away from the boss( decimate, injection, insect swarm for example) and decided not to refresh SnD untill i was back on the boss to get more time out of it or i was in KS.
Was referring to Biana
saedo — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 04:16If SnD falls off during KS,
Jimi — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 12:04If SnD falls off during KS, then you really shouldn't be doing KS until after a refresh. Yes Yes I will have to remember that. I'm glad you mentioned that.
Are people confused in this
saedo — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 12:19Are people confused in this thread of who I'm responding to? Everyone, click threaded posts options at the bottom of this page!
This is where I was having
Jimi — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 12:00This is where I was having trouble. I was trying to use shiv to keep the enrage down and so my rotation was sloppy. Should I use my normal SS and not worry so much about the enrage?
I would stop dpsing Gluth and go help to kill adds during Decimate using fan of knifes and my SnD would fall off. Should I be doing this or just focus on Gluth only?
I try to keep up the SnD, sometimes I just cant get the CP out fast enough to get a full refresh. These times I use what ever CPs I have. Is this right or should be doing something else?
Of the times when there were seconds of missed SnD up time I was either forced to move away from the boss(decimate, injection, insect swarm for example) and SnD would drop off untill i was back on the boss.
Yea, it should proc enough on
saedo — Sun, 05/03/2009 - 12:17Yea, it should proc enough on it's own to not matter much. Like I said unless the tank really is squishy, like can't survive enrage for about 3-4 seconds, then shiv to cater to them. Otherwise forget it.
As for adds, depends on group. Some can kill Gluth relatively close to Decimate time so adds are not a problem. Some have enough ranged AoE to take care of them. Or if you wanna pad your damage with Fan of Knives.
The thing is, yea I don't expect SnD to stay up if you're run to adds, or take time off target. Again, that's why I look at Patchwerk, it's the fight where it's all on target. What can do you with all that perfect dps time? Do you get sloppy? Or are you able to keep it all up perfectly?
For the rest, if you can do Patchwerk perfectly, I don't see why you wouldn't have a mindset of what's good. SnD priority whenever you're attacking, repeat cycle, etc.
Bumping. I'm still
garreth — Mon, 04/27/2009 - 11:15Bumping. I'm still interested in this app.
His last response here was
saedo — Mon, 04/27/2009 - 11:17His last response here was weird and confusing.
agreed saedo. I know he
bluetouguyss — Mon, 04/27/2009 - 11:46agreed saedo. I know he feels as if there wasnt a big increase in his dps from his changes but when I looked at his numbers I thought he did ok. His issue was that he is getting conflicting info about his main hand weapon. During raid we discussed with a few other people that said a slower main hand weapon would be better due to some change made? Have you heard that?
Huh what? Wasn't he using
saedo — Mon, 04/27/2009 - 12:18Huh what? Wasn't he using Kel'thuzad's Reach? I don't think anyone here told him to change that. Was he using Hand of Nerub in MH that day? Cause I only said to change the OH, Off Hand, box on the right. That one should be a fast weapon, with deadly poison on it.
Well, I suppose if he's still using Double Wound Poison, a "slower" OH can work... But it's still shit for Combat Potency.
Still, Deadly Poison OH, that's the new fad (or returning of the old fad).